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    Superweek race is no longer sanctioned under USACycling but instead ABR? What the????

    So Superweek is no longer USAC its now ABR so I guess anyone who was looking to earn USAC upgrade points is screwed. Also They are telling everyone that ABR will except all licenses, But doe that mean that your covered under ABR insurance even if you dont have a ABR license? USAC not gonna insure riders in that race. I also was told somerthing about UCI teams wouldnt be permitted to race ABR races because of UCI license rules! Dont know anything about that since i dont have or ever will have one of those licenses. Is this the end of Superweek if things fall apart this year?

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    bad move Superweek, if this is the truth

    breakaway's are for races, not federations

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    Are riders insured by USAC? It's been a long time for me but I thought the federations insured the event and promoters, not the riders.
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    we (colorado) just reintegrated

    it was quite a scene

    still quite a scene actually

    anyone who tries to jump ship on USAC at this point should know they are in scorched earth mode and will do pretty much anything to keep from losing racers and events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badhat View Post
    we (colorado) just reintegrated

    it was quite a scene

    still quite a scene actually

    anyone who tries to jump ship on USAC at this point should know they are in scorched earth mode and will do pretty much anything to keep from losing racers and events.
    So, it's not really about promoting bicycling & racing, it's about promoting the USAC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkadam68 View Post
    So, it's not really about promoting bicycling & racing, it's about promoting the USAC.
    Something in common with many sports, unfortunately.
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    here is some excerpts from Facebook between Superweek and some local racers

    Icc SuperWeek
    Yes we did decide to go with ABR this year. We have been thinking about it for 4 years and finally decided to switch. We like USAC, however the costs for a 17 day event have become prohibitive. Last year our costs associated with using USAC were in excess of $63,000.00. That's allot of money for Officials and Insurance. The insurance coverage is similar in coverage and several of the official's from last year will be working the event. We have also passed the savings on to the riders. If you want to race your bike's and have some good races then ride SUPERWEEK.

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    • do you know what it will mean for insurance? If I race under a USAC license I'm not going to be covered by USAC. Will ABR cover a non-abr rider?Monday at 14:28 Like



    • Some of these races are going to be lacking without pro-teams. It's nice to say that you'll accept UCI licenses but the UCI prohibits riders from racing in non-UCI races.Monday at 14:31 Like



    • no idea. ABR rules specify that you need an ABR license (annual or one-day) to compete, so i don't know who's covering liability for non-ABR-licensed racers.Monday at 14:31 Like



    • Yes, there is no reciprocity between USAC and ABR anymore.



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    There is alot of uproar right now and people are stating that USAC wont give them permits due to money owed and such. Its interesting to hear alot of stuff from people in that area about it. i didnt post alot of the conversation but its pretty in depth.

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    OK...I'm actually in the middle (EDIT: As in Riding the fence on the issues that have come up) of a lot of this. Got confirmation from some of the ABR crew tonight while racing out at Pella.

    1. There are not enough ABR officials to pull this off. Currently there are 3 who said yes. I talked to one tonight who said, "not unless they pay me up front."EDIT: This was told to me by Nixternal while out at Pella - racing 2 weeks ago. At that time he specifically stated that. Also said he wouldn't work as an official unless they paid him up front. When talking to him this week he said he was doing it. Said he would walk the first second they didn't pay him.

    2. Superweek was able to permit as a stage race in the past. That meant USAC approved the whole series or none of the series. USAC changed and required them to permit each event separately. This allowed USAC to deny the specific permits where Superweek still owed for rider insurance and officials fees from previous years. EDIT: This is how it was explained to me on 3 different occasions by 3 different officials at USA Cycling

    3. I have spoken to many officials who are still owed those fees. EDIT: and was told that while the ICA is keeping hush on the issue - there was at least one official who would go on the record stating that they were still owed money.

    4. The number of bounced checks from Superweek history is a joke. EDIT: This is from extensive first hand reports of racers over the years. When I posted out on Chicago Bike Racing and added an "allegedly" a mother of a Junior emphatically stated that it was indeed true. The official listed above in point 3 will also go on the record as she has had a few sons that have received checks for racing that have bounced. In My Opinion.... it is unacceptable for any check to ever bounce. It is my opinion that even 1 single check bouncing from any promoter speaks to poor financial management at best and sheer corruption at worst. That is my opinion and I am not personally accusing Superweek of anything - just sharing stories from others an my opinion.

    Her reaction is here:
    cyclingmom

    As I read these posts, I can’t sit here and keep quiet! It is FACTUAL that SUPERWEEK owe USAC for the rider insurance, some official fees AND the riders.
    It is a FACT that their checks bounced! As a parent of a rider, I am confirming that my son’s check bounced AND not only is he missing out on his winnings bur he is also out additional $ due to the bank fees that he got hit with when his check bounced!
    SUPERWEEK should be ashamed…
    Good luck ABR!
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    5. It's a big deal. This has killed Superweek. (EDIT: Meaning - I just don't see a bright future for the series) I spent the whole evening telling every racer I know to NOT pre-register for any event.

    They still have Evanston on the calendar for pete's sake and they still owe Evanston over $20K....EDIT: Superweek has contacted me many times telling me that this is simply not true. In reality I was told that information from multiple racers while at races over the last few months. I have absolutely no proof that is the case. As such I have no alternative than to say that Superweek's assertion that this is not factual must be reality. Please note at the same time.....that Evanston was finally pulled from their schedule and will not be happening this year. Here is some information from earlier in the year about it all - http://www.chicagobikeracing.com/ind...ebook-april-4/

    and that's been a legal battle going on a few years as well. EDIT: Reference the legal battle described in the link above


    Go to a race and give them money to race.....only if you physically see a course set up, numbers handed out and actual officials. EDIT: This is still my assertion. Support them if you are around and want to race, but I highly advise against pre-registering in this instance. Show up and verify with your own eyes that everything is as it is supposed to be. Assuming they are charging a day of registration fee, this can result in them actually making money. yay.

    6. ABR Insurance will cover ABR events. They are accepting USAC licenses only so you don't have to go about buying an ABR license. They thought that would keep people away from racing....having to buy another license (which costs $25 annually, and one that almost everyone in this area has). EDIT: The point of this is to address people's weird fears that somehow there isn't insurance. ABR is a great organization. They have insurance for their races. When you pay your fee and sign your waiver....you are covered by the event insurance, unless someone tells me otherwise. People saying that they shouldn't show up and race because they have a USAC license and somehow that means they won't have insurance is a completely false statement. This is definitely an unfair and undeserved criticism of Superweek and ABR...in my opinion.

    7. USAC has burned their bridges with EVERY smaller association out there. I have not been in agreement with that move at all and it's really the only thing I can complain about when it comes to USAC. They have laid down the law and they are not backing down. They will not be happy until all other racing associations cease existing. This will make it near impossible for Superweek to ever get out of this mess and back to what it once was. EDIT: This speaks to USA Cycling's habit of trying to squash outside organizations like ABR. I don't agree with USA Cycling's actions in this regard. It is therefore my opinion that I think the deck will be stacked against superweek if they try to go back to USA Cycling at some point.

    8. Superweek is dead. Tour of America's Dairyland is a much better run, fiscally responsible event and has handed SW it's ass over the last 2-3 years. No real teams even showed up for SW last year. It will not be any better this year. EDIT: This is my opinion, as well as the opinion of almost every racer I know in Illinois, Wisconsin and Indiana. The roster of pro teams showing up for ToAD is large, and all reports back to me from my racers at ToAD so far have been that it continues to be a professional and well run event/series. The numbers that I personally witnessed at Superweek last year weren't what they had been in the previous years that I have been at. In my opinion I don't believe that we will see a better turnout this year. It is no secret that many racers are not excited about the idea of racing under ABR.

    9. I was handed a flyer tonight with full detailed info about venues and prize lists and categories. Handed to me by people putting on some of the specific events. There is an esoteric "Tour of Chicago" scheduled.....that won't happen. Don't hold your breath. EDIT: Again...my opinion. It is hard enough to get anyone in Chicago to say yes when you have many months of planning. To see anyone in Chicago say yes to anything new at this late timing would be a miracle in my opinion. Let's see if ICC can perform miracles. Let's wish them luck.

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    So ICC has been emailing me out on facebook and through my personal email threatening me and telling me that I am incorrect. I have clarified my points above and have asked them to give me a point by point reaction to each statement and that I would share it. This is a forum. Everything I have posted I believe to be true based on my interactions in the cycling community. If something is not true - and can be proven to not be true, well...then I can simply apologize.

    As I have said in multiple places and at multiple times - I wish Superweek luck. I personally don't think that by threatening a local person who is more willing to help and try to help bring in other racers is a very nice thing to do. I personally am offended...but....I'm a big boy. I can only imagine that they are under a lot of stress. I know I always am when I am promoting. So....if anyone is even remotely thinking of trying a Superweek race, then please do come out and support anyone who is trying to run a race. I have and will always maintain that people and racers should help support any race. I am simply suggesting that you might want to visually verify that racing is happening....then hand over your money - with the extra "Day of registration" fee ...while smiling. Maybe even say thanks.

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    Well said pismet2001! Well said! It's a public forum and I believe also you have to support races whe they are are available. See ya there in a couple weeks if you are around.

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    Cycling in the US has come so far in the past 10 years. :eyesroll:
    HTFU

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    a broken collar bone in late March plus Superweek waiting until the last minute to sorta announce they are NOT USAC sanctioned = another year of CAT 4.

    i have had only good things to say about the 10 or so SW races i have done the past 2 years. i paid, i raced, i got paid and those checks cashed, ect..... however, for those who train and perhaps had a plan that involved a USAC Superweek this sucks. turn out was really low last year for most of their races. fields of 12 guys during the week. i doubt they see an increase this year. later.

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    Planning to do some of these races in the Milwaukee area. Bummer they won't count for USAC but should be good racing experience after the shellacing I got in a couple of ToAD races.

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    Ask Cleave about the infighting that killed a long standing series here in SoCal.

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    Still not feeling the love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    Ask Cleave about the infighting that killed a long standing series here in SoCal.
    Which one?
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    .......................and word tonight from an official who actually worked and received his check - cashed it.....

    .........it bounced. He now owes something like $120 for officiating. Lucky him.

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    Teammate's check just bounced. Didn't see that one coming
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    Quote Originally Posted by McTufferton View Post
    Teammate's check just bounced. Didn't see that one coming
    I deposited all my checks the same day I got them. No problems here all cleared. Thank you god

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