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    buying race pictures / video ?

    I was wondering if any of you racers out there would pay for pictures and/or video of you in a race ? If so, do you have a preferance between video or pictures ?

    I know there are usually photographers at races shooting with the intent to sell to racers so I am curious how many racers actually buy the pics.

    Recently I have been shooting alot of video of races and I thought it would be nice to sell some.

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    I would consider 1 or 2 pictures if they were good because I don't have any, but after that, probably not.
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    I have purchased a couple good pictures.
    If I was as good at racing bikes as I am at racing cars youd all be in for a world of hurt!

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    I purchased one or two, but mostly they are pretty crappy and expensive. I would buy an OK picture, but not at the usual price of 10+ bucks for digital copy.
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    I would pay for a compilation of race videos on DVD or something, but wouldn't pay to watch something on vimeo or whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UmneyDurak View Post
    I purchased one or two, but mostly they are pretty crappy and expensive. I would buy an OK picture, but not at the usual price of 10+ bucks for digital copy.
    How much would you like to pay ? And do you prefer a print or a digital file ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    I would pay for a compilation of race videos on DVD or something, but wouldn't pay to watch something on vimeo or whatever.
    what about a single race like a crit or something ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfer34 View Post
    How much would you like to pay ? And do you prefer a print or a digital file ?
    5 bucks max for digital. Lets be honest here, once it is posted on the favorite forum/facebook it is forgotten. You can have tired pricing 1-2 dollars for normal forum/facebook size, more for digital. Key here is an impulse buy, not a debate whether it's worth paying half an entrance fee for a photo.

    Unless it's a photo of me winning a race, no real point in getting print. Even then it's debatable. Just one more thing to collect dust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfer34 View Post
    what about a single race like a crit or something ?
    Yeah a bundle for an even sounds nice. Again price needs to be reasonable. For motorcycle track day they sell CDs with all your photos for 50-75 bucks. For the most part not worth it just for one or two actual good photos.
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    I've paid photographers to take pictures at races I promote (a spring series, 6-7 weekends in March/April, next year will be the 21st year). Over the years I've had a lot of photographers contact me re: taking shots etc. Combined with a lot of other photographers that show up on their own to shoot pics I've talked with a number of people that take pictures at a race.

    If you want to make money off of such a thing your best bet is to find a hedge fund manager that is about to win his first race or talk to a promoter and try and wrangle a trade/cash deal.

    The overwhelming response from photographers is that no one pays much for pictures. In fact, even with my cash, the photographer that was taking shots stopped doing it a couple years ago. I've given other photographers stuff to try and get them to shoot pics but it's tough.

    There are sometimes hundreds of pictures from one race, up on the web, for free. I don't know of many people that will put a poster of themselves on their wall. I was offered, for free, a framed pictures of me in a race, it was probably 2x3 feet, professionally edited, printed, framed, and it was FREE. I turned it down. I'm not going to hang a picture of myself on the wall.

    Now, my kid? Okay, I will.

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    if it were a particularly memorable race - either of the two i won this past season would qualify, and unfortunately i don't have any good pictures from those - i'd probably be willing to buy a photo if there were a good one available. digital or print. otherwise, i like seeing photos when they turn up online after races, but it's not really worth it to me to buy them.

    personally, i don't think i'd buy a video.

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    I wouldn't pay more than a buck for a digital photo and I have no interest in a print. It's not like I'm not going to frame it hang it on the wall. I recently raced a couple of stages of the Tour of America's Dairyland and there are 1 or 2 photos up on the event photog's site I wouldn't mind having, but not for the $10 per digital file he's charging. The way I look at it, two times $1 is more than zero times $10, especially since he already spent the time and money to shoot the races and post the photos and has no other means to recoup any revenue from 99.9 percent of those photos.

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    part of what your paying for is the service...and a quality photo. Not everyone can take a nice action pic. If I wanted a nice pic of me at a race I wouldnt have a problem paying for the service/quality. To put it in perspective, people will spend hundreds of dollars on crap that will last them a fraction as long as a picture might.

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    A single jpg download from the last race i was in cost $25.99, or $15.99 for a facebook res jpeg.

    I didn't buy any, but if I was popping a wheelie across the finish line in first place with girls in the crowd blowing me kisses, then I'd probably shell out the bucks for a shot.

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    I paid about $65 for every shot of me in the NCC race I won and the previous race that I used as a warmup. It was about 30 pictures total, on CD, full resolution, shipped. Worth every penny. A good photographer is worth it for a memorable race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammy56 View Post


    part of what your paying for is the service...and a quality photo. Not everyone can take a nice action pic. If I wanted a nice pic of me at a race I wouldnt have a problem paying for the service/quality. To put it in perspective, people will spend hundreds of dollars on crap that will last them a fraction as long as a picture might.
    Have you seen most of the pictures that are put up for sale on smugsmug? I would not classify them as quality. For the price they are charging they should also include professional photoshop editing.
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    All the local photographers stopped taking pics of me, I just keep breaking the lens.
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    The photographers around here don't make much direct money off of they cycling shots. They use it to market other services, like wedding or portrait photos. I'll guarantee that most of the 200 or so frequent Austin racers will give these guys a shot at their business for the real shoots.

    Quote Originally Posted by UmneyDurak View Post
    Have you seen most of the pictures that are put up for sale on smugsmug? I would not classify them as quality. For the price they are charging they should also include professional photoshop editing.
    Ping the photographer. Around here, they just put up all 1500 race photos from the day w/out any editing. If you see one you like, they will light it, color it, develop (if RAW), and crop it. For my one really big win, it was his favorite shot of the day and the photographer was hoping I would contact him to buy a photo. He edited it and gave me a low res sample to approve the crop and editing.

    Also, you don't need PS editing. Just RAW processing is all that's needed for a very high quality sports photo. No need to do any pixel editing -- just levels and such.

    Lastly, why the hell would anyone expect someone to edit a photo and deal with a transaction for any less than $10 for a low res (800px) digital shot?
    Last edited by waterrockets; 07-13-12 at 03:42 PM.

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    Then, there are people like me who shoot for fun. You can have these shot for free

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    Nice shots WR.

    We have some good photographers out here. This guy is my favorite and I've bought a few pictures from him: http://cyclingillustrated.com/manhat...on-rd2-7-8-12/ . If you catch him before your race and mention you're looking to buy some pictures he'll be sure to get a few good ones of you.

    I agree with WR. Anything less than $10 is a waste of time. I prefer to buy the full res digital copy which typically runs from $25-$40. My wife likes to give them a nice frame and hang them on our "sports" wall. I gotta have something to bore the grand kids with when I'm old and gray.

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    ^^^ lol, Danny's the guy I bought my 1D MkIII from last week! Small world. The camera has certainly moved to less capable hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    The photographers around here don't make much direct money off of they cycling shots. They use it to market other services, like wedding or portrait photos. I'll guarantee that most of the 200 or so frequent Austin racers will give these guys a shot at their business for the real shoots.



    Ping the photographer. Around here, they just put up all 1500 race photos from the day w/out any editing. If you see one you like, they will light it, color it, develop (if RAW), and crop it. For my one really big win, it was his favorite shot of the day and the photographer was hoping I would contact him to buy a photo. He edited it and gave me a low res sample to approve the crop and editing.

    Also, you don't need PS editing. Just RAW processing is all that's needed for a very high quality sports photo. No need to do any pixel editing -- just levels and such.

    Lastly, why the hell would anyone expect someone to edit a photo and deal with a transaction for any less than $10 for a low res (800px) digital shot?
    Who said anything about low rez for less then 10 bucks? I was referring to hi rez photos. Checked one of the galleries from last race. For 1mega pixel it's 13 bucks, for 4 mega pixel it's 59 buck. For 13 dollar one just general levels adjustments should be included. It doesn't take all that much time. For the 59 dollars, I do expect a more expert touch.

    Actually looks like their pricing has changed. I remember last time I looked cheapest one was 15 bucks. Now they are selling 640x480 for 3 dollars. Which is inline with what I was saying earlier, kind of falls under impulse buy to post guild free on facebook or here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    The photographers around here don't make much direct money off of they cycling shots. They use it to market other services, like wedding or portrait photos.
    This. It is unlikely you'd make enough off local racers to justify spending all day at a race and another day or two editing the video or pics. Use it to make connections for your services. Or just do it for fun and practice the art. GL

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    I'd buy it if I looked awesome.
    Sprint finish video would be sweet too, or of a tight turn.

    I always had bad luck in that the photographers never got a good, golden shot of me like I wanted and was willing to buy. All that changed, and with perfect timing, when I won my first race 2 weeks ago. It was my second race as a Cat 4 on a mixed Cat 3 and 4 field of over 80 riders, sprint finish, the photographer got this shot, AND DOESN'T EVEN CHARGE! She just wants credit for it!

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/julieel...7630362363180/

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    Next time you do that, you're gonna get pipped. Not smart.

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