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Old 07-18-12, 12:21 AM   #1
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My first Crit. Is this normal?

Just competed in my first Crit Cat-5
My average speed was21.3mph and my max speed was 27.7mph (sprint)
I got laped 3 times is this normal? Or is that way fast for Cat 5?
4th of July crit Davis Ca
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Old 07-18-12, 12:43 AM   #2
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Sounds normal for a first crit. Many get lapped their first time - though it doesn't happen to everyone.

Congrats on the first race, and keep it up!
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You did great. Finishing your first race without any major incidents is a good sign. Keep up the good work!
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Yup it's normal...Keep working at it...
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Yeah, that sounds about right.

And don't be surprised if the next two or three crits go the same way.
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Old 07-18-12, 06:32 AM   #6
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Congrats on the race. Sounds about right. More importantly is try to learn something in every race. GL
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Old 07-18-12, 07:11 AM   #7
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+whatever.

Work on your own personal maximum speed. That helps deal with the surges. If you raise your max speed from say 30 mph to 40 mph, suddenly going 30 mph isn't quite so intimidating. The surges get you (and me) shelled so you have to work on handling those.
http://sprinterdellacasa.blogspot.co...sprinting.html

Work on not letting a gap go (gap = anything like 5-10 feet). Gaps = less draft = you have to work harder. You can work on this forever, the gap just gets shorter as you get more experienced. "More experienced" means the gap might be 5-20 inches at normal speeds (25-30 mph) in a pack and perhaps less in a small group (1-3 inches).

Finally, to work on drafting you'll need to get good at adjusting speed without grabbing a handful of brake. Focus on easing on the pedals a half second early so you coast, feather (don't grab) brakes if you get too close, and initially ride 6-12 inches to one side of the rider in front so you can get closer to that rider's rear wheel (don't overlap wheels but you probably won't feel comfy overlapping anyway).

These are generalizations but they work for a new racer.

Congrats for taking the plunge and good luck going forward.
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Davis is on a technical side of crits, and tends to be on a fast side. Since there are corners that come in rapid succession, it's less about average speed and more about that drive out of the corner. Specially if you are at the back. Since you have to brake harder going in, and accelerate harder going out. CDR gave great advice. Invest in some training books. After this season start building your base, and towards the beginning of next season start bringing up your power.
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Substantial percentage of people get dropped in their first crit.

Typically it's either because 1) they don't have the fitness/training to deal with the repeated accelerations, 2) they don't know how to race, and get dropped by being in the wrong place wrong time, expending unecessary energy etc., or 3) a combination of 1 and 2.

Doing some races takes care of the second reason. Training, particularly doing some short intervals on short rest, takes care of the first.

Its not unusual for people dropped in their first race or two to be competitive after they get a few under their belt.
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Welcome to the club.

Work on training and try to get out to as many crits as possible. Before you know it you'll be the one dropping other riders!
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Echo.....totally normal. You will be faster if in the group. Bury yourself if it looks like you're going off the back. Alone is a death wish.

Around here....I think the slowest cat 5-4/5 race I have been in was around 23. Most are 24-27 avg
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Old 07-18-12, 08:38 AM   #13
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Btw- now you know where the phrase, "you can't train to get ready to race. You just have to race. Until you race you will never fully realize exactly how fast or how deep you have to go just to stay in contact. "

Racing Crits is a violently intense effort.
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Old 07-18-12, 09:42 AM   #14
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Thanks to all!!! More saddle time!!!
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Lapped? I am surprised that weren't pulled in a technical crit, but around here we almost always race with the 4s.

also ... What CDR said.
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I did my first crit a couple of weeks ago (cat 3-5, I'm a 5). The laps were pretty short, a little over a minute, so we got pulled if we got too far behind the pack. I definitely was not prepared for the constant surging after the corners, and repeated 30mph+ sprints after each corner made me blow up after about 10 minutes. It wouldn't have been as bad if I didn't get stuck in the back because of the rubberbanding, but if I had positioned myself better at the start I still dont' think I would have lasted the whole 45 minutes.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one
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I did my first crit a couple of weeks ago (cat 3-5, I'm a 5). The laps were pretty short, a little over a minute, so we got pulled if we got too far behind the pack. I definitely was not prepared for the constant surging after the corners, and repeated 30mph+ sprints after each corner made me blow up after about 10 minutes. It wouldn't have been as bad if I didn't get stuck in the back because of the rubberbanding, but if I had positioned myself better at the start I still dont' think I would have lasted the whole 45 minutes.

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Yeah it would have....trust me.

I can position like nobody's fool. I frequently amaze people with how easily and how well I can get into and stay in prime spots from lap 1. My problem is I still don't last....physical fitness. Most around here refer to me as "the best damn 2-lap crit racer I have ever seen"
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Yup, everyone gets dropped. No worries, there; just keep at it. I would add that you should not have the mind set to train for a certain mph. Train with intervals that are meant to increase your race fitness for your respective discipline (crit, RR, HC, etc). If you need help figuring out what those intervals are, your first stop is the Friel Bible and blog.

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Yeah it would have....trust me.

I can position like nobody's fool. I frequently amaze people with how easily and how well I can get into and stay in prime spots from lap 1. My problem is I still don't last....physical fitness. Most around here refer to me as "the best damn 2-lap crit racer I have ever seen"
Psimet I'm telling myself lies so that I think I could still have a chance if I train harder and ride smarter. You aren't helping.
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Davis is technical and fast. It's also smack in the middle of race season so a lot of guys, including the 5's, are at their peak fitness. It makes for a tough first race, but you did fine, and the next one will be easier, if only because you'll have a better sense of how the pack surges.

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I did my first crit last weekend also. Our avg speed was 25.1. Without a doubt the hardest part was the accordian through the corners because I was at the back most of that race. Speeds dropped down to around 20 in the corners and then I had to surge back up to 30 to catch back on---this was particuarly true of one corner. Had to do that for 45 minutes plus 5 laps. I loved every minute of it.

Can't wait to do more and I'm definitely doing cyclocross this fall.
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I did my first crit a couple of weeks ago (cat 3-5, I'm a 5).

mix of cat 3,4,5s? thats gotta be tough for a first race
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mix of cat 3,4,5s? thats gotta be tough for a first race
Yeah It was pretty brutal, a lot of 5s got dropped but I really wanted to get out and quit making excuses about why I wasn't going to any of the local crits. It was still fun, though!
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We probably rode close together since I was in the back some of that same race. I was in the black Absolute Racing kit. There were two of us in the race. I finished 13th and my teammate finished 5th.

This was only my second crit, but felt like the first one since I was dropped so early in my first.

I had no idea crits could be that much fun! Prior to the race, I had been thinking of doing only road races because I thought they'd be safer. After reading some of the what folks here have said about crit safety and then being in one, I'm totally ready for more. Lots of fun!

I am still so timid and nervous about moving up in the pack. My legs felt great the entire time, and I could have finished better if I'd had the guts to move up. Everyone says that comes with experience. Guess I gotta just do it.

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I did my first crit last weekend also. Our avg speed was 25.1. Without a doubt the hardest part was the accordian through the corners because I was at the back most of that race. Speeds dropped down to around 20 in the corners and then I had to surge back up to 30 to catch back on---this was particuarly true of one corner. Had to do that for 45 minutes plus 5 laps. I loved every minute of it.

Can't wait to do more and I'm definitely doing cyclocross this fall.
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Yeah It was pretty brutal, a lot of 5s got dropped but I really wanted to get out and quit making excuses about why I wasn't going to any of the local crits. It was still fun, though!
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I am still so timid and nervous about moving up in the pack. My legs felt great the entire time, and I could have finished better if I'd had the guts to move up. Everyone says that comes with experience. Guess I gotta just do it.
You guys are off to a good start.
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