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    Going to lose my race virginity in September.

    I don't know if this really counts as a race race, but I'm considering it that.

    I hope that I can finish it, in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by st3venb View Post
    Going to lose my race virginity in September.
    Umm... sorry: no, you're not.

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    I don't know if this really counts as a race race
    It doesn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by st3venb View Post
    I'm considering it that.
    So, the only one there who'll be racing will be you.

    Regardless, have fun.

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    Doesn't sound like a race, but usually there will be some peeps racing it anyway.. or trying to finish 'first' at least.

    It might end up being a good warmup to figuring out what it's like to ride in a pack, etc.

    Btw here are some real races in your state: http://www.usacycling.org/events/?state=AZ
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    That's a fun race/ride, technically was my first timed event when I started cycling in 2010. Oh how it feels like it was forever ago. I ended up top 15 and was the only guy in the main pack to stop off for some water at an aid station. Very fast and lots of climbing, so be prepared. Definitely not a USAC race though, that's a whole 'nother step up of pain and suffering and speed.

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    No insertion so it doesn't count
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    Might not be a race, but you should enjoy it and use it as a base to find out about races you can join in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
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    Btw here are some real races in your state: http://www.usacycling.org/events/?state=AZ
    Tour de Scottsdale counts as a race? How does that count and el Tour de Tucson (or any of the other tours) don't count?

    I thought only crits counted as racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aztimm View Post
    Tour de Scottsdale counts as a race? How does that count and el Tour de Tucson (or any of the other tours) don't count?

    I thought only crits counted as racing.
    Crazy, isn't it ? Did you see that big Tour de France thing, with those guys riding around France day after day ? They make a big deal about the "winner", and give him a special jersey, but not one single criterium the whole time .... jeesh ! And on some days, the guys were just out riding by themselves, and they even had a support car ! I mean, I like riding by myself, but I don't go telling people I raced, and have a support car following me, like I'm gonna crash or something (I know how to fix a flat).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    Crazy, isn't it ? Did you see that big Tour de France thing, with those guys riding around France day after day ? They make a big deal about the "winner", and give him a special jersey, but not one single criterium the whole time .... jeesh ! And on some days, the guys were just out riding by themselves, and they even had a support car ! I mean, I like riding by myself, but I don't go telling people I raced, and have a support car following me, like I'm gonna crash or something (I know how to fix a flat).
    You still didn't answer my question. Why would one count and not the others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aztimm View Post
    Tour de Scottsdale counts as a race? How does that count and el Tour de Tucson (or any of the other tours) don't count?

    I thought only crits counted as racing.
    The USAC website says Tour de Scottsdale is a "Road Fun Ride / Tour" ... doesn't say "Road Race"
    That link was not race specific. If you select "Results & Rankings Events", that looks more race specific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    The USAC website says Tour de Scottsdale is a "Road Fun Ride / Tour" ... doesn't say "Road Race"
    So I guess el Tour de Tucson is just a stroll through the park since it isn't even listed.

    http://www1.perimeterbicycling.com/el-tour-de-tucson/

    BTW, I'm doing both, and I certainly do not consider myself a racer. I've also done el Tour de Mesa. Seems like your site just doesn't like Perimeter events, which are the bulk of the bike tours in AZ.

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    The Tour de Tuscon may be a difficult ride or tour, but that doesn't make it a race.
    USAC is one of several cycling event sanctioning organizations in the U.S.
    (I'm in CT, so pretty clueless about the events out west.)
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    Here is our AZ sanctioned race schedule: http://www.azcycling.com/calendar

    Tour de Scottsdale is considered more of a 'serious race' than some of the others because of its route, who rides it, and the general approach. Hell, they give bikes to the winners. There is a crit associated with it that is sanctioned, though they have them separated schedule-wise now. Tucson involves carrying your bike through a couple of washes, and has so many people that factor influences results to a large degree, so it's not as "clean" a race. But to win either one, you have to beat people like the U.S. M35+ national RR (and crit) champ. NRC men and women ride both, and Tucson gets some international riders.

    Let's face it people, road races are getting really hard to organize and permit. One of the ways to make them feasible is by turning them into "charity rides", which helps make the economics and city cooperation work. They may not be sanctioned and give points, but some of them are most definitely races. I don't know how the Prescott ride stacks up as I haven't done it, but the terrain in that area can be really challenging, especially if it's hot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    Here is our AZ sanctioned race schedule: http://www.azcycling.com/calendar

    Tour de Scottsdale is considered more of a 'serious race' than some of the others because of its route, who rides it, and the general approach. Hell, they give bikes to the winners. There is a crit associated with it that is sanctioned, though they have them separated schedule-wise now. Tucson involves carrying your bike through a couple of washes, and has so many people that factor influences results to a large degree, so it's not as "clean" a race. But to win either one, you have to beat people like the U.S. M35+ national RR (and crit) champ. NRC men and women ride both, and Tucson gets some international riders.

    Let's face it people, road races are getting really hard to organize and permit. One of the ways to make them feasible is by turning them into "charity rides", which helps make the economics and city cooperation work.
    They may not be sanctioned and give points, but some of them are most definitely races. I don't know how the Prescott ride stacks up as I haven't done it, but the terrain in that area can be really challenging, especially if it's hot.
    Actually that would be the definition of it not being a race.

    Just because something is hard and there are people who try to beat others doesn't make it a race. Otherwise all of the Tuesday night rides around the country would be races....

    .....and yes, some think they are....but they're not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
    Actually that would be the definition of it not being a race.

    Just because something is hard and there are people who try to beat others doesn't make it a race. Otherwise all of the Tuesday night rides around the country would be races....

    .....and yes, some think they are....but they're not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aztimm View Post
    So I guess el Tour de Tucson is just a stroll through the park since it isn't even listed.

    http://www1.perimeterbicycling.com/el-tour-de-tucson/

    BTW, I'm doing both, and I certainly do not consider myself a racer. I've also done el Tour de Mesa. Seems like your site just doesn't like Perimeter events, which are the bulk of the bike tours in AZ.
    Lots of events are permitted through USAC for insurance reasons. My team hosts a charity ride each fall that we permit through USAC and for which we require USAC licenses. It is NOT a race, though we do declare the first guy back the "winner." Going through USAC assures we are covered in case of any catastrophes or other injuries.

    IMO, a lot of the "racing" you see at these cookie rides is a lot more dick measuring than anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topflightpro View Post
    Lots of events are permitted through USAC for insurance reasons. My team hosts a charity ride each fall that we permit through USAC and for which we require USAC licenses. It is NOT a race, though we do declare the first guy back the "winner." Going through USAC assures we are covered in case of any catastrophes or other injuries.

    IMO, a lot of the "racing" you see at these cookie rides is a lot more dick measuring than anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbart4506 View Post
    Rk...You seem to have a fascination with the penis...hmmmmm....
    You, my friend, are correct...
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    I think that these events become two separate rides. There are folks out there doing the ride, and there are folks out front trying to win. When something is mass start, chip timed, gives awards for placing, and tracks performance over time, I just don't see how it isn't a 'race'. Granted they are different than a USAC sanctioned RR, but there are many sanctioning bodies, and surely USAC isn't the only organization that can make a ride a 'race'.
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    For the events under discussion, they control the intersections, just as in a sanctioned race, but maybe not for the entire time, which is drawn out more. So, if you get dropped, you may face an intersection where the traffic has been released to control by the lights.

    For those of you with a narrow definition of what constitutes a race, precisely what criteria need to be met? If you can't define it, then...
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