Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Results 1 to 23 of 23

Thread: 4/5 assualt

  1. #1
    Senior Member Nick Bain's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    MINNESNOWTA!
    My Bikes
    raliegh pursuit, Caad8, Tarmac comp, Raleigh R700, Raliegh M80, Schwinn prostockIII, Sawnwa Mixte custom Chopper
    Posts
    1,665
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    4/5 assualt

    so the ref tells me im about 30 out of 60 and that 30 riders had abandoned. Needless to say I was shelled after a little over 20 miles out of 54, nothing in the tank. I was feeling good then suddenly I glycogen bonked. I could not produce anything for the remaining 30 miles so I just spun it out as much as possible. On the final hill I cramped so bad I could barely walk. It was clear I did not eat enough. I came to the ride with fresh legs just not prepared enough in the food department also not carb loading properly either.

    My question would be what kind of recovery time do you think I would need after such a cannibalistic ride. I know its typically a few days but do you think I would need more after such abuse?

    Thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by toddles View Post
    Nick, I don't necessarily like agreeing with you -- but your spot on.

  2. #2
    Senior Member Homebrew01's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Ffld Cnty Connecticut
    My Bikes
    Old Steelies I made, Old Cannondales
    Posts
    15,600
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    You bonked after 20 miles ? I don't think food is the problem. Define "carb loading". You don't need anything special for a 54 mile race.

    You wouldn't happen to be trolling the 33, would you ?
    Last edited by Homebrew01; 08-19-12 at 09:17 PM.
    Bikes: Old steel race bikes, old Cannondale race bikes, less old Cannondale race bike, crappy old mtn bike

  3. #3
    Senior Member Nick Bain's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    MINNESNOWTA!
    My Bikes
    raliegh pursuit, Caad8, Tarmac comp, Raleigh R700, Raliegh M80, Schwinn prostockIII, Sawnwa Mixte custom Chopper
    Posts
    1,665
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    You bonked after 20 miles ? I don't think food is the problem. Define "carb loading". You don't need anything special for a 54 mile race.

    You wouldn't happen to be trolling the 33, would you ?
    Well im not a strong rider so I need all the help I can get. Can't wait to become one of thos cat4 lifers.
    Quote Originally Posted by toddles View Post
    Nick, I don't necessarily like agreeing with you -- but your spot on.

  4. #4
    **** that mattm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    CALI
    Posts
    11,276
    Mentioned
    47 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Congrats on at least finishing.

    Did you consume some protein after the race? (you always should)

    As for recovery time, ideally a few hours/half-day. But it's hard to say over the internet how long it will take you to recover.
    cat 1.

    blog

  5. #5
    coffee-stained punk hammy56's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    6,619
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    this is what happens when you drink drip-coffee.

  6. #6
    bf is my facebook. ljrichar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Greensboro, NC
    Posts
    1,146
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Food is not your issue, fitness is.

  7. #7
    Senior Member Nick Bain's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    MINNESNOWTA!
    My Bikes
    raliegh pursuit, Caad8, Tarmac comp, Raleigh R700, Raliegh M80, Schwinn prostockIII, Sawnwa Mixte custom Chopper
    Posts
    1,665
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Ok fine lets talk about why I got dropped LOL. Not much racing this year. Went to KNOTFEST.com the night before had 5, 16 oz beers and moshed for about half of the bands for 7+ hours. Ate a whole pizza for lunch and had a burger at the show. Pretty well fed. In the morning ate 2 eggs an english muffin one banana a peice of pumpkin cake. Was going to slam some oat meal as well but kind of forgot. Drank about 16oz of OJ 1 hour before race. I was feeling real good for the first 20 some miles until it hit me like a ton of bricks.
    Quote Originally Posted by toddles View Post
    Nick, I don't necessarily like agreeing with you -- but your spot on.

  8. #8
    soon to be gsteinc... rkwaki's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    getting photographed by rockets...
    Posts
    8,134
    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I see a train wreck coming...
    Pretty well fed? No
    Alcohol in system? Fail
    Something tells me if you want to be a racer you would need to take things a little more serious.
    Not trying to be a d-bag just pointing out the obvious.
    "if you ride it the way it's meant to be ridden there's no way any wife is less of a ***** than a bicycle." - gstein

  9. #9
    Senior Member Nick Bain's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    MINNESNOWTA!
    My Bikes
    raliegh pursuit, Caad8, Tarmac comp, Raleigh R700, Raliegh M80, Schwinn prostockIII, Sawnwa Mixte custom Chopper
    Posts
    1,665
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Hey no problem I can deal with reality. Clearly I know why I got dropped, but does being dropped relegate recovery to a level of unimportance? I would like to focus on recovery aspect please.

    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    I see a train wreck coming...
    Pretty well fed? No
    Alcohol in system? Fail
    Something tells me if you want to be a racer you would need to take things a little more serious.
    Not trying to be a d-bag just pointing out the obvious.
    Also what do you mean by train wreck?
    Quote Originally Posted by toddles View Post
    Nick, I don't necessarily like agreeing with you -- but your spot on.

  10. #10
    Senior Member johnybutts's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Houston, TX
    My Bikes
    Type of horse.
    Posts
    3,221
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Troll. Mods please lock/move/delete.
    I'm sure when you were getting to the point of blowing nothing was obvious but making the pain stop...I don't know about you but after the fact I always look back at those moments and think 'why didn't I just keep going' but at the time there wasn't enough oxygen on the planet to make me take one more pedal stroke.

  11. #11
    soon to be gsteinc... rkwaki's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    getting photographed by rockets...
    Posts
    8,134
    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by johnybutts View Post
    Troll. Mods please lock/move/delete.
    +1
    "if you ride it the way it's meant to be ridden there's no way any wife is less of a ***** than a bicycle." - gstein

  12. #12
    **** that mattm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    CALI
    Posts
    11,276
    Mentioned
    47 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    He could just be that misguided..

    OP, this isn't cross, you need to treat your body right to get good results. Check out Friel's "Training Bible", specifically the nutrition chapter. You should start thinking of the types of calories you're getting before the race, not just getting a lot of them.

    And as for recovery, I'll say it again: protein.

    Best of luck.
    cat 1.

    blog

  13. #13
    soon to be gsteinc... rkwaki's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    getting photographed by rockets...
    Posts
    8,134
    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    He could just be that misguided..

    OP, this isn't cross, you need to treat your body right to get good results. Check out Friel's "Training Bible", specifically the nutrition chapter. You should start thinking of the types of calories you're getting before the race, not just getting a lot of them.

    And as for recovery, I'll say it again: protein.

    Best of luck.
    And I don't think you and I have discussed this offline. Protein and nutrition are key to recovery.
    "if you ride it the way it's meant to be ridden there's no way any wife is less of a ***** than a bicycle." - gstein

  14. #14
    Senior Member jsutkeepspining's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    ohioland/right near hicville farmtown
    Posts
    4,719
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    I see a train wreck coming...
    Pretty well fed? No
    Alcohol in system? Fail
    Something tells me if you want to be a racer you would need to take things a little more serious.
    Not trying to be a d-bag just pointing out the obvious.
    but i dont take anything serious lolololololololol
    cat 1-o-meter: wtf am i doing??????
    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    You're not dumb. You're just less smart.

  15. #15
    soon to be gsteinc... rkwaki's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    getting photographed by rockets...
    Posts
    8,134
    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by jsutkeepspining View Post
    but i dont take anything serious lolololololololol
    I'm taking the higher road on this post...
    "if you ride it the way it's meant to be ridden there's no way any wife is less of a ***** than a bicycle." - gstein

  16. #16
    Senior Member jsutkeepspining's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    ohioland/right near hicville farmtown
    Posts
    4,719
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    cat 1-o-meter: wtf am i doing??????
    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    You're not dumb. You're just less smart.

  17. #17
    Senior Member Nick Bain's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    MINNESNOWTA!
    My Bikes
    raliegh pursuit, Caad8, Tarmac comp, Raleigh R700, Raliegh M80, Schwinn prostockIII, Sawnwa Mixte custom Chopper
    Posts
    1,665
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Ok so what I am gathering here, is if it takes more than two days to recover from a 54 mile race then I'm doing something wrong. As in If I don't eat right it could take longer or not even happen. I am planning up to 3 days of recovery. Just wondering if there was any instance where I could need more? Thanks.

    Its hard for me to stick to a training plan due to work so I kind of fly by the week usually getting in at least one hard ride per week. I realize this is not ideal but I'm not trying to be the ideal racer. Ok that's all.
    Quote Originally Posted by toddles View Post
    Nick, I don't necessarily like agreeing with you -- but your spot on.

  18. #18
    coffee-stained punk hammy56's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    6,619
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Bain View Post
    Ok so what I am gathering here, is if it takes more than two days to recover from a 54 mile race then I'm doing something wrong.
    depends: if you were sitting in the entire time, I wouldnt think you'd need much recovery at all. If you were in a small break, or otf/attacking, then you could be wrecked.

    If you bonked Id assume a day or two would be fine, assuming youre nutrition is on point.

  19. #19
    Senior Member Homebrew01's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Ffld Cnty Connecticut
    My Bikes
    Old Steelies I made, Old Cannondales
    Posts
    15,600
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    But you only raced 20 miles, then soft pedaled 30 miles after you got dropped. Doesn't seem like you need to agonize over recovery days. Go ride your bike some more.
    Bikes: Old steel race bikes, old Cannondale race bikes, less old Cannondale race bike, crappy old mtn bike

  20. #20
    Senior Member Nick Bain's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    MINNESNOWTA!
    My Bikes
    raliegh pursuit, Caad8, Tarmac comp, Raleigh R700, Raliegh M80, Schwinn prostockIII, Sawnwa Mixte custom Chopper
    Posts
    1,665
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    But you only raced 20 miles, then soft pedaled 30 miles after you got dropped. Doesn't seem like you need to agonize over recovery days. Go ride your bike some more.
    After todays RR that sounds about right, didn't feel weak, just a little sore.
    Quote Originally Posted by toddles View Post
    Nick, I don't necessarily like agreeing with you -- but your spot on.

  21. #21
    shut up and ride
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    noho
    My Bikes
    supersix hi-mod,burley duet tandem,woodrup track,cannondale cross,specialized road
    Posts
    1,942
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    But you only raced 20 miles, then soft pedaled 30 miles after you got dropped. Doesn't seem like you need to agonize over recovery days. Go ride your bike some more.
    +1
    of your many problems, recovery is one of the least significant ones.

  22. #22
    Senior Member Nick Bain's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    MINNESNOWTA!
    My Bikes
    raliegh pursuit, Caad8, Tarmac comp, Raleigh R700, Raliegh M80, Schwinn prostockIII, Sawnwa Mixte custom Chopper
    Posts
    1,665
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The remaining 30 miles were still very tough though. I did stand a lot as it was very windy on the longest leg of the course.
    Quote Originally Posted by toddles View Post
    Nick, I don't necessarily like agreeing with you -- but your spot on.

  23. #23
    Senior Member Nick Bain's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    MINNESNOWTA!
    My Bikes
    raliegh pursuit, Caad8, Tarmac comp, Raleigh R700, Raliegh M80, Schwinn prostockIII, Sawnwa Mixte custom Chopper
    Posts
    1,665
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by zzzwillzzz View Post
    +1
    of your many problems, recovery is one of the least significant ones.
    But that shouldn't mean recovery is to be ignored. I would like to focus on one thing at a time please.

    It may appear as though I am agonizing over recovery days but that is simply because you all keep changing the subject.
    Quote Originally Posted by toddles View Post
    Nick, I don't necessarily like agreeing with you -- but your spot on.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •