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    Cat 4 -> not renew license

    I had a cat 4 license for 2004 but I don't want to renew for 2005. If I want to do a couple races under a day license, what category would I race?

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    Don't tell me you want to race cat 5, the only category you can race at for a one day license.

    Quote Originally Posted by billh
    I had a cat 4 license for 2004 but I don't want to renew for 2005. If I want to do a couple races under a day license, what category would I race?

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    No, I'd like to avoid the 5's if possible, what about combined 4/5 field, if that is the lowest category race offered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by billh
    No, I'd like to avoid the 5's if possible, what about combined 4/5 field, if that is the lowest category race offered?
    You could do that, but the field would be just as skittish. I'm a 4 currently not licensed and it's worth it to me to get the license and avoid 5s altogether even though I may only do 2 - 3 races this year.

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    I dunno, in my area, the 4/5's usually split up anyway. USA Cycling annual license is $60 this year and day license is $10, which means I'd have to do 7 or more races to make it worth my while. I don't think I would do that many. I'll have to see if my favorite races combine the 4/5 or have separate races.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billh
    I dunno, in my area, the 4/5's usually split up anyway. USA Cycling annual license is $60 this year and day license is $10, which means I'd have to do 7 or more races to make it worth my while. I don't think I would do that many. I'll have to see if my favorite races combine the 4/5 or have separate races.
    Yeah, that might make sense if you don't plan to do crits but there can be fast 5s that lack experience mixed in with some groups you may be in. I see your point though. Also, you may or may not be able to race Masters as a cat 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshot
    Also, you may or may not be able to race Masters as a cat 5.
    Is that a common restriction? I did my first race last Saturday (Patterson Road Race) as a cat 5. I had the choice of Masters 35+ 4/5 or Masters 45+ (all levels). I chose the 45+ because the field was smaller, and fellow forum member SteveE was riding there.

    It was a fast group. We finished several minutes faster than the 35+ group.
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    In my region, Masters 45+ or Masters anything is a completely different animal than the cat 5's. Masters races around here have former US Olympic team members, aged Cat 1, 2's who have not lost much, and therefore are simply out of my league. I would never waste my money on a masters race. Terry, you must be a complete study. Keep riding!

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    Quote Originally Posted by billh
    In my region, Masters 45+ or Masters anything is a completely different animal than the cat 5's. Masters races around here have former US Olympic team members, aged Cat 1, 2's who have not lost much, and therefore are simply out of my league. I would never waste my money on a masters race. Terry, you must be a complete study. Keep riding!
    Your local scene sounds a lot like ours. I've been told that some of the local masters racers are very tough, with several former cat 1s and a couple ex pros. I was pretty cautious and rode off the back when the road got narrow and icy. I had to work hard to catch the pack when there were accelerations on the flat, but I easily passed other riders on the 9.6% climb.

    I joined up with 4 very experienced team riders after the descent, and they showed me how to do a rolling pace line. Once we got organized, we averaged over 25 mph for the 14 miles to the finish. That part was fun, the dangerous parts were not so fun. After I led up the final hill, I pulled over and let the pack sprint to the finish. I had been warned about the risk of being in a bunch sprint finish.

    My big problem with racing is the safety. One of the area's strongest cyclists, Kevin Klein, broke his femur during the race when he fell on black ice. Countless others went down, as well. Physically, the race wasn't tough, but I sure was nervous. Whenever anything got a little sketchy, I'd drift off the back. Maybe more experience will help with that. There just seem to be too many injuries in races--at all levels.

    Am I a study? I don't know about that, there are several local guys who are faster. I was never very good at sports in high school. I started riding a couple of years ago for fitness and enjoyed it. Climbing's the area that I do best, thanks to my weighing a mere 135 lbs. My riding buddines are pushing me into doing races, but I think that's payback for dragging them over every mountain I could find.
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    Terry,

    There are some Masters 45+ races that indicate 1,2,3,4 and not 5. I believe that Mt. Hamilton and Berkeley Hills Road Races were set up that way. I didn't do Berkeley Hills but did do the Mt. Hamilton Road Race as a CAT5. If in doubt, I would send an email to the USCF official for the race, and ask them if it was OK to register for a particular race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrymorse
    Is that a common restriction?
    I don't know if it's common, but it is applied in this region as well. If you're a Cat 5, doesn't matter about your age, you race with the 5s.

    I'd think you could ride with the 4s or masters (if old enough). I mean, if you renew your license you couldn't renew as a 5 (not that you'd want to ). But, I think you need to submit your question to a USCF official in your region to get a definitive answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadbuzz
    I don't know if it's common, but it is applied in this region as well. If you're a Cat 5, doesn't matter about your age, you race with the 5s.
    Around here, it seems to be at the discretion of the USCF race official. I was allowed to race in the Mt. Hamilton Classic in the Masters 45+ 1/2/3/4 even though I was still a 5. When I asked the organizing club about the restriction, they advised me to contact the USCF official for the race. The race official told me to go ahead and register. YMMV.
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    What would be a "Masters 35+ 4/5"
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