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Old 11-06-13, 08:53 AM   #15026
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You know I must say I right pretty good and often wonder what is being taught in school. Its almost like their not teaching kid's the right way to write an essay or the teacher's themselfs lack the skillz to teach/correct the written word.
I have actually sent some of my kids' assignments back with circles around grammatical. There teachers probably don't think its funny...

lol ... i thought justkeepspelling took over your account for a minute there
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for anyone under let's say 30 who went to college, do you folks actually have to write reports or is everything a bubble sheet now? i have hired multple people over the past 15 years from natural sciences backgrounds from schools ranging from random small state schools to Duke, and noticed a steady erosion of writing skills to the point that new-ish hires dont seem to be able to formulate a basic paragraph that opens with a position, supports that position, and compels the reader to a conclusion. they're more like incoherent thoughts with a conclusion that isnt really supported. I have talked with others in similar positions as myself in my company and we all have noticed the same thing, so I'm not totally alone in this.

dear colleges: your graduates can't write, despite whatever you're requiring.

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My wife is going back to school now to finish up here M.S. and I must say they are writing quite a bit, much to my surprise. Now, the tests on the other hand...
Then again one could argue if tests are even valuable, if content is being grasped.
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Old 11-06-13, 09:01 AM   #15028
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Holy **** to write with poor grammar and punctuation is more difficult than writing correctly...
seems pretty easy for you to mix infinitives with gerunds; i see someone has failed out of grammar school
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seems pretty easy for you to mix infinitives with gerunds; i see someone has failed out of grammar school
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Meant to comment in followup to some of the heated posts from last week. Wife showed me some stuff on FB last night. I'm patiently waiting for some guys from my gym to get into it. The trash talk, insults and jabs did nothing but fire up a couple of heavyweights. I had hoped that one of the other guys would jump in and say simma down but nope it just continued, someone is going to throw some haymakers I suspect.
Don't these idiots realize that their feuds are public and that they see each other in the gym almost daily? ****tards...
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Old 11-06-13, 09:14 AM   #15031
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Sorry to drop in just to whine, but... Orthopedist appointment in a couple hours, thank goodness. A plan for fixing my poor, shattered collarbone would be good for morale. Almost as good as actually fixing it! Hopefully very soon; I'm pretty tired of bones crunching around in my shoulder whenever I move a bit too incautiously.
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Old 11-06-13, 09:17 AM   #15032
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Sorry to drop in just to whine, but... Orthopedist appointment in a couple hours, thank goodness. A plan for fixing my poor, shattered collarbone would be good for morale. Almost as good as actually fixing it! Hopefully very soon; I'm pretty tired of bones crunching around in my shoulder whenever I move a bit too incautiously.
Suck it up buttercup...
If you were a crossfitter you would be out doing some heavy Oly lifts right now - beast mode...



Good luck to you at ortho...
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Heh. Good thing I'm not a crossfitter, I guess!
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for anyone under let's say 30 who went to college, do you folks actually have to write reports or is everything a bubble sheet now? i have hired multple people over the past 15 years from natural sciences backgrounds from schools ranging from random small state schools to Duke, and noticed a steady erosion of writing skills to the point that new-ish hires dont seem to be able to formulate a basic paragraph that opens with a position, supports that position, and compels the reader to a conclusion. they're more like incoherent thoughts with a conclusion that isnt really supported. I have talked with others in similar positions as myself in my company and we all have noticed the same thing, so I'm not totally alone in this.

dear colleges: your graduates can't write, despite whatever you're requiring.

[/old man rant.]
24 y/o here. 4 semesters of writing classes and a minor in history (another 18 credits, which may as well be a minor in writing). I realize the importance of writing in business/daily life so made sure I received as much from the education as possible!
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24 y/o here. 4 semesters of writing classes and a minor in history (another 18 credits, which may as well be a minor in writing). I realize the importance of writing in business/daily life so made sure I received as much from the education as possible!
Aren't you in Engineering of some sort?

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Aren't you in Engineering of some sort?
Not so much. My freshman year I was in Mechanical Engineering, but after the first year I was like WTF AM I DOING THIS IS SO HARD AND IM BARELY PASSING. So I bailed.

I finished up with a BS in Geography w/ minor in US History and GIS Certificate. I work in software doing the Geography/GIS thing.
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The importance of writing in daily life...

I write flyers and emails for distribution. I keep them short enough that you can get the message without really reading more than the headers of each area.

And then my idea gets passed around to a bunch of facility managers who can barely read, and they all add 500 words. It ends up looking like the dead sea scrolls and we're constantly amazed that our message is lost.

Practice writing, but work on persuasive reasoning too.
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Old 11-06-13, 11:30 AM   #15038
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Not so much. My freshman year I was in Mechanical Engineering, but after the first year I was like WTF AM I DOING THIS IS SO HARD AND IM BARELY PASSING. So I bailed.

I finished up with a BS in Geography w/ minor in US History and GIS Certificate. I work in software doing the Geography/GIS thing.
How's working in GIS? Currently an undergrad in the natural sciences. Some of my professors have mentioned it's a good field.
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Old 11-06-13, 11:41 AM   #15039
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pfft. 6:30 is early for you?
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Not so much. My freshman year I was in Mechanical Engineering, but after the first year I was like WTF AM I DOING THIS IS SO HARD AND IM BARELY PASSING. So I bailed.

I finished up with a BS in Geography w/ minor in US History and GIS Certificate. I work in software doing the Geography/GIS thing.
Ah yes, the engineering weed-out classes. Computer Science is in the College of Engineering at CU, so I had to grit my way through a couple of those -- made me feel pretty stupid until I realized I was nailing As and Bs after the curve. That said, you then faced 3-4 more years of a much more rigorous degree program than Computer Science. I just had to get through that gate, then it was on to stuff that I'd already been doing at some level for nearly a decade.
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The past few years my writing has regressed. More social writing and less formal writing have caused a more haphazard style and less proofreading. Social media has made 'writing like you talk' more acceptable, and it ends up spilling into professional careers. My grammatical skills were never great, however diligent proofreading helps, something I often fail to do when posting here. In the workplace my writing has been relegated to emails. I rarely having to write any professional documentation.

Like Ygduf, I've submitted documents which my supervisors would 'clean up' and turn it to garbage. Some of them feel obligated to edit something, adding clutter. Getting into management around here is more about who yells the loudest, not silly things like grammar.
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No kidding. When I'm up early to ride, it's 4:15.
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Not so much. My freshman year I was in Mechanical Engineering, but after the first year I was like WTF AM I DOING THIS IS SO HARD AND IM BARELY PASSING. So I bailed.

I finished up with a BS in Geography w/ minor in US History and GIS Certificate. I work in software doing the Geography/GIS thing.
What sort of stuff are you working on in the GIS space?

27 year old here. No formal college (no degree, anyway). It always amazes me how few people are able to write a decent, grammatically correct email. Especially at a company that prides itself on being so scholastically-centric. Brevity is fine but be coherent, make a point, support your point, and proofread!
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How's working in GIS? Currently an undergrad in the natural sciences. Some of my professors have mentioned it's a good field.
It's good! I love GIS! I wouldn't do it as a specific field though. Definitely specialize in something and learn GIS to go a long with it. That will make you much more valuable in the field, and even just learning GIS on the side will give you enough background to do it in another field if you ended up wanting to do more GIS stuff. Doesn't really require a degree pursay as much as just knowledge of the software and understanding of how it works.
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Like Ygduf, I've submitted documents which my supervisors would 'clean up' and turn it to garbage. Some of them feel obligated to edit something, adding clutter. Getting into management around here is more about who yells the loudest, not silly things like grammar.
I occasionally edit our newsletters too, where the content is sent to me and I get to trim it up and fix it. I once took 1500 words on bed lofting (not even kidding) down to 250!

These same people are also so technologically backwards that they come to me for help with excel (I just google "how-to xyz" if I don't know) and outlook stuff like "why is my inbox sorting by sender?"

I'm torn between advocating for competent peers or just enjoying the job security.
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No kidding. When I'm up early to ride, it's 4:15.
My early rides consist of being up by ~4:45, out the door by 5:15, and at the meet-up spot by 5:45. I'm finally getting the hang of being in bed by 9:30-10pm on those days.
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What sort of stuff are you working on in the GIS space?
I work for a software company that develops application for gas/oil pipeline management. I deploy and implement our software to the clients. Everything is based on ESRI technology. I mainly work with ArcGIS Server/SDE, SQL Server or Oracle, and Windows Server stuff these days since our main application is web based.
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While I support our vets, and believe everyone deserves a second chance for some mistakes in life, if you plead guilty to raping a thirteen year old after you were discharged from the military, do not claim veterans preference when applying for a job.
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While I support our vets, and believe everyone deserves a second chance for some mistakes in life, if you plead guilty to raping a thirteen year old after you were discharged from the military, do not claim veterans preference when applying for a job.
Don't be crazy. Those guys are HEROS.
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My early rides consist of being up by ~4:45, out the door by 5:15, and at the meet-up spot by 5:45. I'm finally getting the hang of being in bed by 9:30-10pm on those days.
I was in bed last night at 10, woke up at 7. 4:45? Ain't nobody got time for that.

With the time change over the weekend I was hoping that it was going to get light early enough to ride a couple hours before work, but it's still dark until 7 or so. Stupid winter
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