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Old 05-04-14, 10:57 PM   #22426
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Old 05-04-14, 11:23 PM   #22427
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EIA is a real thing, and not the same thing as coughing a lot after a hard ride, but it's pretty similar. Frequently manifests as wheezing / unable to take a full deep breath & coughing. Often right after a very hard effort. The Albuterol inhaler doesn't actually give any performance benefit to a person who doesn't have asthma, but for those that do have it, it has the benefit of allowing one to actually breath. And you don't need a TUE for it.

EIA is pretty common. Often goes along with allergies. If it's bad, they'll give you a daily inhaled steroid, and also a rescue inhaler (albuterol) for when you are having trouble breathing.

I don't race or even w/o my inhaler, it's just too scary. The inhaler is magic, you go from about-to-die to breathing normally in like 2 seconds.
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Old 05-05-14, 05:59 AM   #22428
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I suppose it could be real. It's my tongue in cheek response. I think 80% of the pro peloton has EIA which then allows them to take a steroid inhaler thing which happens to be indistinguishable from an injected/oral steroid. It's a TUE to dope.
Except that nowadays, half of the "Rescue" inhalers do not even require a TUE. For example, I carry Xoponex with me and often use it before races. It's Conditionally approved, meaning as long as I don't got overboard with it, I'm fine. But the prescribed two puffs, is perfectly fine.

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Why didn't you guys tell me Mother's Day was next weekend before I registered for races both days?! This is not gonna be pretty.
I'm surprised to hear there is even an event next weekend. At our annual promoters meeting last fall, pretty much everyone agreed it would be a waste of time to hold an event on Mother's Day weekend. No one wanted to take the risk of a low turnout.

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Old 05-05-14, 06:08 AM   #22429
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Bear Mt has historically been held on mother's day. It was out for a number of years due to road conditions, but is back again this year.
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Old 05-05-14, 06:34 AM   #22430
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Bear Mt RR, on Mother's Day, has 451 racers preregistered, including 77 in the two 40+ fields.

Hunter Mt RR, the day before, has 117 preregistered, including a whopping 10 in the 40+.


The promoter started the Hunter series 2 years ago when Bear was canceled, and got good numbers the last two years. Now that Bear Mt is back I would be surprised if the spring Hunter race happened next year at all (I wouldn't even be totally shocked if it was canceled this year).

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Old 05-05-14, 06:43 AM   #22431
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I think more of it has to do with the way Dieter runs his races. I was going to do Hunter, but then he changed the start times and now I can't. He canceled a crit series last year. I think most people take a wait and see approach with him due to this and his typically high entry fees. As a result it hurts him.

That said Catskills as a one day race looks interesting.
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AKA track hack.

EIA is a real thing, and not the same thing as coughing a lot after a hard ride, but it's pretty similar. Frequently manifests as wheezing / unable to take a full deep breath & coughing. Often right after a very hard effort. The Albuterol inhaler doesn't actually give any performance benefit to a person who doesn't have asthma, but for those that do have it, it has the benefit of allowing one to actually breath. And you don't need a TUE for it.

EIA is pretty common. Often goes along with allergies. If it's bad, they'll give you a daily inhaled steroid, and also a rescue inhaler (albuterol) for when you are having trouble breathing.

I don't race or even w/o my inhaler, it's just too scary. The inhaler is magic, you go from about-to-die to breathing normally in like 2 seconds.
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Old 05-05-14, 06:49 AM   #22434
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Also, Strava has actually done something useful: http://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#10/-...4897/gray/both

It's maps of the most popular cycling and running routes of everyone who uses Strava. These maps would be really helpful for anyone traveling looking for routes to run or ride.
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Old 05-05-14, 07:31 AM   #22435
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interesting to read the asthma discussion above, this year has been the worst mine has ever been. it's been debilitating, while going for a move that my watt meter said I should have been able to do in my sleep, I nearly passed out because I simply couldn't breath. I had to back off, or I think I would have passed out. doc appointment on W with my allergist, but i'm pretty sure i'll be back on a daily treatment because the rescue inhaler isn't working effectively.
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Old 05-05-14, 07:40 AM   #22436
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AKA track hack.

EIA is a real thing, and not the same thing as coughing a lot after a hard ride, but it's pretty similar. Frequently manifests as wheezing / unable to take a full deep breath & coughing. Often right after a very hard effort. The Albuterol inhaler doesn't actually give any performance benefit to a person who doesn't have asthma, but for those that do have it, it has the benefit of allowing one to actually breath. And you don't need a TUE for it.

EIA is pretty common. Often goes along with allergies. If it's bad, they'll give you a daily inhaled steroid, and also a rescue inhaler (albuterol) for when you are having trouble breathing.

I don't race or even w/o my inhaler, it's just too scary. The inhaler is magic, you go from about-to-die to breathing normally in like 2 seconds.
My EIA is usually caused by dry-ish air and anaerobic work capacity efforts, and sometimes VO2Max stuff. For me, that's like less than 40% humidity. It feels like a cold burn immediately after the effort, and results in a lot of difficulty exhaling with heavy wheezing. Albuterol is all I've ever taken, and 2 puffs 1 minute apart, right before I get on my bike, will almost always prevent it. If I don't pretreat, I can take the puffs after the ride, but recovery is slow (about an hour), and it produce a lot of lung butter.
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I'll tell you what, EIA doubters. How about you do your next race with a mask over your face feeding you CO2. Then let's add an irritant, how about some mustard gas, to get the constriction started and the fluid going. Then you can tell me what a doper I am avoiding what are very real inhibitors to my racing. I've been lucky so far that the rescue inhaler has been doing it but at some point it may not.
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Old 05-05-14, 09:40 AM   #22438
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having been previously hospitalized for asthma, it's not pleasant. fold a t-shirt in half about 5 times and breathe through that for a while.

also, albuterol/proventil is pretty unpleasant to the lungs if used before exercise. and it's such a PED that you have to take like 30 doses for it to be outside WADA limits of non-TUE levels.
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I use ProAir HFA which is sambuterol. I don't know what makes it different than albuterol. I use it 20 minutes before warmups. It raises my HR 10-15 points for that 20 minutes, compared to an equivalent effort after the first 20 minutes. I can't see how that could be beneficial.
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Old 05-05-14, 09:59 AM   #22440
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i've had EIA off and on for years, and finally got it under control. Had it not been under control, I could never race. There have been many times I've used my inhaler 16 times in less than an hour, twice I've had a ambulance pick me up. Last 'event' (circa 2006) was on a group ride. Couldn't breathe, and had two guys babysitting me after I started hyperventilating. Eventually, i shooed them off and called an ambulance. I was in the middle of nowhere (Lytle Creek) and there was no way I could ride a bike upright. After that, I didn't touch group riding for years, more out of pride than anything.

A few months ago I finally hit rock bottom and tried several alternative therapy methods, which has reduced my asthma about 80%. Allergy reduction, keeping humidity under 40%, and controlled breathing have worked wonders. I still use the inhaler, but now its more to clear an inconvienence than something that puts me in fear.
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I use ProAir HFA which is sambuterol. I don't know what makes it different than albuterol. I use it 20 minutes before warmups. It raises my HR 10-15 points for that 20 minutes, compared to an equivalent effort after the first 20 minutes. I can't see how that could be beneficial.
I'm guessing you mean salbutamol, but that's the same stuff as albuterol, per internets.
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I'll tell you what, EIA doubters. How about you do your next race with a mask over your face feeding you CO2. Then let's add an irritant, how about some mustard gas, to get the constriction started and the fluid going. Then you can tell me what a doper I am avoiding what are very real inhibitors to my racing. I've been lucky so far that the rescue inhaler has been doing it but at some point it may not.
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I think sambuterol was a czech hockey player from the '80s.
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Old 05-05-14, 10:50 AM   #22444
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Also, Strava has actually done something useful: http://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#10/-...4897/gray/both

It's maps of the most popular cycling and running routes of everyone who uses Strava. These maps would be really helpful for anyone traveling looking for routes to run or ride.
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Old 05-05-14, 10:54 AM   #22445
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A couple years ago, my asthma doctor and I pulled up the Global DRO site and went through the medications he was prescribing for me. The daily inhaler he wanted to prescribe was banned for all uses. A second option was not. So we adjusted my daily inhaler to not have to fill out a TUE.

But I have asthma, not exercise induced asthma. I'm on a daily medication. I can usually tell by the time I get to work if I have forgotten to take it, which happens very rarely.

In addition to that, I also have a rescue inhaler and another asthma medication to take on days when I know I will be taxing my lungs heavily or if I'm in a place with a lot of smog or if the pollen or some other allergen is particularly intense.
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Trying to find a PT that specializes with sports injuries or cycling would be nice. Every place I call specializes in taking care of old people with 0 range of motion....
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Trying to find a PT that specializes with sports injuries or cycling would be nice. Every place I call specializes in taking care of old people with 0 range of motion....
try your region or districts local message board and ask for recommendations on PT that specializes in your injury + athletes + cycling. someone probably has had similar or same injury as you and could point you in the right direction.
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try your region or districts local message board and ask for recommendations on PT that specializes in your injury + athletes + cycling. someone probably has had similar or same injury as you and could point you in the right direction.
scowering the interwebz now and got some recommendations from some friends on the team. Unfortunately the only one I found so far is super far(40 miles INTO traffic) from my house. I might just settle for one that is a sports rehab place thats not too far away.
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is there such a thing as not into traffic in socal?
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I feel even worse then last week. Maybe racing on Saturday and Sunday and spending 8+ hours driving wasn't such a brilliant idea.
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