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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    You get popped for DUI?
    No but my mom is not big into me driving myself alone to a race 6 hours away, over the span of 2 days with 3 races.
    cat 1-o-meter: wtf am i doing??????
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    Quote Originally Posted by thechemist View Post
    rant/
    It is interesting how much influence other individuals can have on your life. My father has pretty much destroyed his marriage due to race life. Winning marathons, BQ etc etc. All great accomplishments but I also have to explain to my oldest daughter why her grandfather would rather get a zone 2 workout in than see his grandkids at the pool. Ohh and my wife and father greatly despise each other. My father has yet to acknowlege that my 38week pregnant wife is even pregnant and refuses to see our nursery.

    He retired overseas and lives in the united states a couple months of the year so no real big issue. That and my immediate family is well..my family so even if we have jacked up relatives all is well in our little world. My father always relates to me best as we both are fit competitive people in everything.

    I was just reminded of this as he happens to be in town but won't make a showing due to yoga classes and run schedule. Really puts things in perspective on how serious we can be at this hobby.

    I am very thankful that my wife has let me race so much this year while being pregnant and I don't ever want to overlook that or my family. I love seeing our kids at the crit races and some of my best rides are with my oldest daughter! I plan on a 10k run this offseason with the wife which should be a lot of fun.

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    props to you, and best of wishes to your wife

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsutkeepspining View Post
    No but my mom is not big into me driving myself alone to a race 6 hours away, over the span of 2 days with 3 races.
    The only thing that would make your mom more awesome is if she fixed you Chunky Noodle Soup(tm) before races.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thechemist View Post
    rant/
    It is interesting how much influence other individuals can have on your life. My father has pretty much destroyed his marriage due to race life. Winning marathons, BQ etc etc. All great accomplishments but I also have to explain to my oldest daughter why her grandfather would rather get a zone 2 workout in than see his grandkids at the pool. Ohh and my wife and father greatly despise each other. My father has yet to acknowlege that my 38week pregnant wife is even pregnant and refuses to see our nursery.

    He retired overseas and lives in the united states a couple months of the year so no real big issue. That and my immediate family is well..my family so even if we have jacked up relatives all is well in our little world. My father always relates to me best as we both are fit competitive people in everything.

    I was just reminded of this as he happens to be in town but won't make a showing due to yoga classes and run schedule. Really puts things in perspective on how serious we can be at this hobby.

    I am very thankful that my wife has let me race so much this year while being pregnant and I don't ever want to overlook that or my family. I love seeing our kids at the crit races and some of my best rides are with my oldest daughter! I plan on a 10k run this offseason with the wife which should be a lot of fun.

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    man.

    one wonders if he weren't getting his addiction fix through these endurance sports, what else would he be doing?

    wonder if he's unaware of the impact or if he's aware but that's what he really wants.

    sorry for the obvious pain he causes to your family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valygrl View Post
    Tell me you are selling your 10s DI2 TT group cheap? To me?
    turns out i will be selling a bunch of 7970 di2 parts. didn't expect to start selling them so soon but a friend bought a new frame tonight and i wound up selling him a road group set.

    i have another road group and a TT group for sale. i'll get around to officially selling it, but if it is something you want sooner hit me up. usually takes me a while to get around to selling things, then i go into big batch mode on ebay.

    also interesting stuff--one can take a non-11s-compatible zipp wheel, replace the shimano/sram free hub with a campy one (takes about 60 seconds and costs $60), pop on a campy cassette....and you've got a wheel that works with 11s shimano/sram drivetrains.

    i've tested and it shifts perfectly...didn't even adjust the RD. campy cassettes cost a bit more than shimano and weigh a bit more (e.g. chorus vs ultegra) but this is an interesting option for (a) people who don't want to spend $300 and send a 2012 wheel back to zipp to re-dish and especially (b) those who have pre-2012 zipp wheels who supposedly have no options for 11s.

    i was planning to sell some zipps (202 tubular set, 404 FC CC rear, 808 FC rear and super 9 disc) but now am not so sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsutkeepspining View Post
    No but my mom is not big into me driving myself alone to a race 6 hours away, over the span of 2 days with 3 races.
    Smart mom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetonrider View Post
    turns out i will be selling a bunch of 7970 di2 parts. didn't expect to start selling them so soon but a friend bought a new frame tonight and i wound up selling him a road group set.

    i have another road group and a TT group for sale. i'll get around to officially selling it, but if it is something you want sooner hit me up. usually takes me a while to get around to selling things, then i go into big batch mode on ebay.

    also interesting stuff--one can take a non-11s-compatible zipp wheel, replace the shimano/sram free hub with a campy one (takes about 60 seconds and costs $60), pop on a campy cassette....and you've got a wheel that works with 11s shimano/sram drivetrains.

    i've tested and it shifts perfectly...didn't even adjust the RD. campy cassettes cost a bit more than shimano and weigh a bit more (e.g. chorus vs ultegra) but this is an interesting option for (a) people who don't want to spend $300 and send a 2012 wheel back to zipp to re-dish and especially (b) those who have pre-2012 zipp wheels who supposedly have no options for 11s.

    i was planning to sell some zipps (202 tubular set, 404 FC CC rear, 808 FC rear and super 9 disc) but now am not so sure.
    I've thought about doing that but I'm just going to sell everything off and stick with my Shimano/SRAM combo. I'll change the rings to Red 22.

    I learned something new last weekend. When I was warming up for my second race my bike was making this nasty crunchy cracking sound. At first I thought it might be a BB30 bearing, but it sounded like it was coming from the rear wheel. There was a pit crew on hand at the line. I went over there to swap wheels with my pit wheels but they offered to take a look at it. They lubed the skewer end first, no dice. The wheel is a pre dimple 404. So in the next 30 seconds he has the axle out with the cassette attached and says my free hub pawls are rusty and completely dry. He lubes it puts it all back together in 60 seconds, takes it for a ride and it's silent. I guess these hubs spin so well because they have crappy seals and need to be lubed periodically. I had no idea. After the race while picking up my pit wheels he hands me a pin oiler of lube to use in the future. I hand him some cash for his efforts and thank him for sponsoring the race. Good people at Bicycle World of NY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thechemist View Post
    I also have to explain to my oldest daughter why her grandfather would rather get a zone 2 workout in than see his grandkids at the pool
    I hear you on this. I am sure my dad would have been diagnosed with a spectrum disorder if such things existed in the olden days. In his case the perseveration is work and his photography hobby, but the effect is the same, which is that it's hard for him to break out of his obsessive fixation with his own stuff. It comes off as deeply self-absorbed and downright rude, but I prefer to think of it as a behavioral disorder.

    The good news is, he has finally started mellowing with age. He's now 67 and the last couple of visits have been huge improvements over anything previous. Weirdly, I think the actual proximate cause for the change has been that my brother in law, formerly a big drinker, has had to quit for extreme health reasons (almost died this year due to alcohol-related pneumonia), which means we can't drink at family get togethers, which means my stepmom who also has a drinking problem can't drink, which means we don't enter into the familiar cycle of her getting mildly aggressive with my sister and my dad zoning out and retreating into his own world.

    I know that's TMI but my point is that (1) self-absorption can be a behavioral disorder instead of (or in addition to) simple selfishness, and (2) breaking out of longstanding family social dynamics could potentially improve the situation.

    In any case, I hope things improve for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetonrider View Post
    turns out i will be selling a bunch of 7970 di2 parts. didn't expect to start selling them so soon but a friend bought a new frame tonight and i wound up selling him a road group set.

    i have another road group and a TT group for sale. i'll get around to officially selling it, but if it is something you want sooner hit me up. usually takes me a while to get around to selling things, then i go into big batch mode on ebay.

    also interesting stuff--one can take a non-11s-compatible zipp wheel, replace the shimano/sram free hub with a campy one (takes about 60 seconds and costs $60), pop on a campy cassette....and you've got a wheel that works with 11s shimano/sram drivetrains.

    i've tested and it shifts perfectly...didn't even adjust the RD. campy cassettes cost a bit more than shimano and weigh a bit more (e.g. chorus vs ultegra) but this is an interesting option for (a) people who don't want to spend $300 and send a 2012 wheel back to zipp to re-dish and especially (b) those who have pre-2012 zipp wheels who supposedly have no options for 11s.

    i was planning to sell some zipps (202 tubular set, 404 FC CC rear, 808 FC rear and super 9 disc) but now am not so sure.
    I have also heard this! Great news for us Zipp owners.
    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    I've thought about doing that but I'm just going to sell everything off and stick with my Shimano/SRAM combo. I'll change the rings to Red 22.

    I learned something new last weekend. When I was warming up for my second race my bike was making this nasty crunchy cracking sound. At first I thought it might be a BB30 bearing, but it sounded like it was coming from the rear wheel. There was a pit crew on hand at the line. I went over there to swap wheels with my pit wheels but they offered to take a look at it. They lubed the skewer end first, no dice. The wheel is a pre dimple 404. So in the next 30 seconds he has the axle out with the cassette attached and says my free hub pawls are rusty and completely dry. He lubes it puts it all back together in 60 seconds, takes it for a ride and it's silent. I guess these hubs spin so well because they have crappy seals and need to be lubed periodically. I had no idea. After the race while picking up my pit wheels he hands me a pin oiler of lube to use in the future. I hand him some cash for his efforts and thank him for sponsoring the race. Good people at Bicycle World of NY.
    I have been meaning to do this! thanks for the reminder

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    I don't know what all these numbers mean. Someone able to parse it out? I'm hoping to go 10 speed Di2 sometime soon. My 7800 stuff is getting kinda worn. I realize that stuff may not be around anymore when that happens though.

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    what's a campy casette cost compared to shimano though? don't they use the tears of pre sacrifice virgins in the manufacturing process?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    I don't know what all these numbers mean. Someone able to parse it out? I'm hoping to go 10 speed Di2 sometime soon. My 7800 stuff is getting kinda worn. I realize that stuff may not be around anymore when that happens though.
    I'm sure you got that they are talking about switching from 10 speed to 11 speed, and a workaround to make 10-speed zipp wheels work with 11-speed. 7970 = 10 speed di2, Red 22 = 11 speed SRAM.

    If you want to go to 10 speed di2, it sounds like tetonrider might have some parts to go.

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    11 speed is pointless for me. I'd go back to eight if I could. 10 speed could in theory be a less expensive way to go electronic. If not and there's a cheap work around for my current wheels...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetonrider View Post
    man.

    one wonders if he weren't getting his addiction fix through these endurance sports, what else would he be doing?

    wonder if he's unaware of the impact or if he's aware but that's what he really wants.

    sorry for the obvious pain he causes to your family.
    As a very successful individual, one would presume he would be doing something to better the community. Not sure if he is aware or not but probably aware but enjoys the "addiction" more. Always makes me cautious as I am very similar in nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    11 speed is pointless for me. I'd go back to eight if I could. 10 speed could in theory be a less expensive way to go electronic. If not and there's a cheap work around for my current wheels...
    Yea, that is my take. electronic has appeal but 11 speed not so much

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsutkeepspining View Post
    No but my mom is not big into me driving myself alone to a race 6 hours away, over the span of 2 days with 3 races.
    Does she at least have good taste in music?
    Punctuation is important. It's the difference between "I helped my uncle, Jack, off a horse" and "I helped my uncle Jack off a horse"


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    Just used the auto-sync feature from Garmin Connect to Training Peaks for the first time. It works slicker than snot on a doorknob. No more manual upload to Garmin Connect and TP, just plug my 500 into my laptop and both get done automatically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post
    I'm sure you got that they are talking about switching from 10 speed to 11 speed, and a workaround to make 10-speed zipp wheels work with 11-speed. 7970 = 10 speed di2, Red 22 = 11 speed SRAM.

    If you want to go to 10 speed di2, it sounds like tetonrider might have some parts to go.
    No I have dibs on those.
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    9000 - 11 speed Dura Ace mechanical current
    7900 - 10 speed Dura Ace mechanical one generation old
    6800 - 11 speed Ultegra mechanical current
    6700 - 10 speed Ultegra mechanical one generation old

    9070 - 11 speed Dura Ace electronic current
    7970 - 10 speed Dura Ace electronic one generation old
    6870 - 11 speed Ultegra electronic current
    6770 - 10 speed Ultegra electronic one generation old

    7970 is first generation electronic and is incompatible with later electronic groups. All others can be mixed and matched to some degree. 6700 can be upgraded to 11 speed with a firmware flash and an 11 speed rear derailleur. This upgrade path is the best bang for the buck right now. Buy a used 6770 group and a 6870 RD and with a flash you have 11 speed electronic for a few hundred less than new 6870.

    If you go 7970, just realize you are buying obsolete equipment. At some point Shimano will stop manufacturing wear parts for it. Most wiring for example has to be special ordered from Shimano.

    Another thing to to consider is whether your frame is set up for electronic or whether it will have to be drilled for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    Another thing to to consider is whether your frame is set up for electronic or whether it will have to be drilled for it.
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    I have no idea what you guys are talking about with all these parts swaps. I have a sram force group set on my road bikes. 10 speed, about 5 years old, and works well. why would I switch to anything else?

    on my tt bike, I have an ultegra da combo. I don't know what number it is, but it's 10 speed. for all the more shifting I do in TTs, I cant imagine gaining benefit from something more fancy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    what's a campy casette cost compared to shimano though? don't they use the tears of pre sacrifice virgins in the manufacturing process?
    Campagnolo stuff costs more, at least from my experience, and the selection of cassettes is limited. Also, they've already stopped offering the higher end stuff in 10 speed and the lower level cassette paired with 10 speed Chorus doesn't work as well as the no longer available high end cassette.
    Aftermarket cassettes are out there, but even more money.

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    basically my 7800 is pretty old now…older than your components, and it's starting to be a bit finicky. other than that I'd not consider changing anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetonrider View Post
    man.

    one wonders if he weren't getting his addiction fix through these endurance sports, what else would he be doing?

    wonder if he's unaware of the impact or if he's aware but that's what he really wants.

    sorry for the obvious pain he causes to your family.
    Someone once pointed out to me how some ultra-endurance type seem to lose part of their personality, and I can see it in them. I guy I know is getting ready for his first RAAM, albeit on a team, and he seems humorless, a bit dead inside.
    Another guy who has finished 3 RAAMs solo, is a heartless dick when in the training mode. He's easier to talk to now that he's not racing those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    basically my 7800 is pretty old now…older than your components, and it's starting to be a bit finicky. other than that I'd not consider changing anything.
    Maybe just freshen things up and throw on some new cables?

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