Random Thought Thread, aka The RTT (**possible spoilers**)
09-18-13, 07:42 AM
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Oh, and I have a question for you New York area guys: How good are fits at Signature Cycles?
I'll be up in New York in November, and I am thinking of getting a fitting done there, as they seem to be really legit fitters from what I have heard. I've had some fits done here, but given my knee issues, I think I would like to get something that is a bit more advanced. Can any of you guys comment on whether they are worth the money?
Thanks.
I'll be up in New York in November, and I am thinking of getting a fitting done there, as they seem to be really legit fitters from what I have heard. I've had some fits done here, but given my knee issues, I think I would like to get something that is a bit more advanced. Can any of you guys comment on whether they are worth the money?
Thanks.
There's also a long (old) thread about him at ST.
09-18-13, 07:53 AM
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I don't know them personally at all. However if you Google them or Paul Levine (the owner) you'll see that he's the guy that helped set up Serotta's fitting program or something like that.
There's also a long (old) thread about him at ST.
There's also a long (old) thread about him at ST.
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09-18-13, 08:00 AM
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EPO is not expensive, unfortunately. About 5-7 years ago a very solid and illegal program would cost you in the $1000 range for a year, which, as a 3, you could make back in a few good weekends. This was the Joe Papp thing, when he was selling it online. I have no idea if it's higher or lower now.
I think testosterone is used a lot. It's prescribed by a lot of doctors. Ironically, in 2006, when I went for a physical in October (so it was a couple months after Floyd was outed as positive from the Tour) the doctor's office was packed with Androgen schwag. Clock, post it notes, notepad, tissue paper, the paper on the examining table, some other stuff, all branded with the logo/name/info. They even had a "testosterone test" gizmo (which the doctor gave me).
A friend that no longer races, his (non-racing, non-cycling, older) dad is on Androgen. When I saw him one time he says to me, "Yeah, my dad is on Androgen. Same sh*t Floyd took. Crazy, right?"
09-18-13, 08:27 AM
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At least 3 guys on my Saturday ride use testosterone. All with prescriptions,none of them are licensed, and I don't think they're doing primarily to be faster on the bike.
Does seem to be a bit out of hand, though.
Does seem to be a bit out of hand, though.
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09-18-13, 09:38 AM
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It's useful if there's no feed zone and you need a bottle, typically in a crit. If you "steal" a bottle from a spectator who happened to put one down on a curb or on the road then that's not a feed. I've only resorted to this once but managed to grab a "road" bottle in a flat, fast, Cat 123 crit (before the days of pros racing with the amateurs). I've also passed up a bottle "accidentally" left on a hay bale (mid turn in a left-right chicane - it wasn't a racer that put it there).
It's also good for picking up dropped stuff on group rides, like if someone drops their saddle bag or minipump or bottle or phone or whatever.
It's hard picking up a bottle if your butt is still on the saddle. It's much easier if you drop down to the top tube - that's the key to doing it smoothly regardless of flexibility.
It's also good for picking up dropped stuff on group rides, like if someone drops their saddle bag or minipump or bottle or phone or whatever.
It's hard picking up a bottle if your butt is still on the saddle. It's much easier if you drop down to the top tube - that's the key to doing it smoothly regardless of flexibility.
09-18-13, 09:39 AM
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The other side is that some of these drug tests are just basic intelligence tests. If you're going to be using the junk, don't do it at a race. Amateurs are generally tested while racing, which is real close to no testing. The idiots that go to races while pissing hot are even more stupid than your average doper.
09-18-13, 09:49 AM
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The article was an interesting read; good length. Can't imagine it as a book - Zzzz.
09-18-13, 09:49 AM
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USADA showed up at a race in Louisiana this summer and another here in Tejas last week. So far no positives that I've heard of. Somebody told ma LAMBRA, the LA assoc, has a fund going now too.
Last year we had a couple of altercations with a particular Masters rider who pretty much "came out of nowhere" from a fitness perspective... super strong but no racing skill at all, got into verbal then physical incidents... his team kicked him out after he admitted to them he was on the T.
Last year we had a couple of altercations with a particular Masters rider who pretty much "came out of nowhere" from a fitness perspective... super strong but no racing skill at all, got into verbal then physical incidents... his team kicked him out after he admitted to them he was on the T.
09-18-13, 09:53 AM
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I used a shop van to move inventory from one shop to another (I was probably 19 or 20). The owner told me the van needed new universal joints so I need to get on and off the gas very gently else it bucks like crazy. I was super careful, got on I-95, things seemed fine. I heard a big clunk like I ran over a big rock, the engine revved, and suddenly the gas pedal didn't do anything. I looked in the mirror and there was a driveshaft rolling across the highway. It's a spot where there are 2 entrances and 3 exits in about a mile so sort of chaotic. I pulled over - everyone slowed to let me move over - and parked the van. Then, with my back to traffic (I didn't want to see it coming if I got hit) I ran out and grabbed the driveshaft. I figured it'd be better than a car rolling onto it, losing control, and crashing. The damn thing was pretty heavy considering it was 9 AM on a weekday and there was a lot of cars and trucks coming.
So now I know that if a vehicle with universal joints bucks then the joints need to be replaced asap.
So now I know that if a vehicle with universal joints bucks then the joints need to be replaced asap.
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09-18-13, 09:57 AM
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Outside jacked some dude up on a ton of crap a few years back. That was far more interesting in knowing how potent some stuff could be.
09-18-13, 10:03 AM
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It was only interesting to me because we would have been in the same races but as far as I can tell I never raced in the same field with him. I remember the guy who did the full monty doping program. The takeaway was that it works.
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The guy in the Outside article was the real McCoy. That was a hell of a good read.
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Ya, I grew about 1/2 of a vagina by reading _The Doper Next Door_. All the time I was thinking, "He must be going to get to the good stuff soon." Um, nope. He rubbed a little cream on his belly and obsessed about BS a lot while going to group meetings. Oh ya, be was able to go off the front during a race, but not make it stick. I can do that for free.
The guy in the Outside article was the real McCoy. That was a hell of a good read.
The guy in the Outside article was the real McCoy. That was a hell of a good read.
09-18-13, 10:10 AM
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09-18-13, 10:30 AM
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I knew of guys as far back as HS who took steroids and questionable 'supplements' for sports. I didn't understand the point then and I still don't.
09-18-13, 10:31 AM
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They tested positive for EPO.
EPO is not expensive, unfortunately. About 5-7 years ago a very solid and illegal program would cost you in the $1000 range for a year, which, as a 3, you could make back in a few good weekends. This was the Joe Papp thing, when he was selling it online. I have no idea if it's higher or lower now.
I think testosterone is used a lot. It's prescribed by a lot of doctors. Ironically, in 2006, when I went for a physical in October (so it was a couple months after Floyd was outed as positive from the Tour) the doctor's office was packed with Androgen schwag. Clock, post it notes, notepad, tissue paper, the paper on the examining table, some other stuff, all branded with the logo/name/info. They even had a "testosterone test" gizmo (which the doctor gave me).
A friend that no longer races, his (non-racing, non-cycling, older) dad is on Androgen. When I saw him one time he says to me, "Yeah, my dad is on Androgen. Same sh*t Floyd took. Crazy, right?"
EPO is not expensive, unfortunately. About 5-7 years ago a very solid and illegal program would cost you in the $1000 range for a year, which, as a 3, you could make back in a few good weekends. This was the Joe Papp thing, when he was selling it online. I have no idea if it's higher or lower now.
I think testosterone is used a lot. It's prescribed by a lot of doctors. Ironically, in 2006, when I went for a physical in October (so it was a couple months after Floyd was outed as positive from the Tour) the doctor's office was packed with Androgen schwag. Clock, post it notes, notepad, tissue paper, the paper on the examining table, some other stuff, all branded with the logo/name/info. They even had a "testosterone test" gizmo (which the doctor gave me).
A friend that no longer races, his (non-racing, non-cycling, older) dad is on Androgen. When I saw him one time he says to me, "Yeah, my dad is on Androgen. Same sh*t Floyd took. Crazy, right?"
09-18-13, 10:38 AM
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Also, I think cats are smart enough to recognize a toilet when they see one. It's just that for some cats, they don't want to do it. Before, I used to lock my cats outside in the patio as punishment for peeing/pooping on the carpet. Now, I'm being more gental, and putting them on the toilet more often, and rewarding them more for peeing on the toilet. Hopefully if I make it less stressful for them, they'll eventually comply. But now I get worried everyday when I come home, and see the toilet completely clear. That means they're either holding it in, or there's a surprise waiting for me somewhere...
09-18-13, 10:55 AM
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09-18-13, 11:02 AM
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The Missus's grandfather injects stuff every day. He's a diabetic. Injections alone aren't a big deal for many people. Me, personally, I can't deal with needles, and I haven't tried to work on that. I figure it's a good fear to have.
Dopers blood dope because EPO is detectable. It's just raising the stakes. For someone that doesn't expect to get tested EPO is by far easier and probably almost too effective. You'd have to monitor your own hematocrit so you don't stroke out in your sleep (Joe Papp details a lot of this stuff in some of his ramblings).
09-18-13, 11:04 AM
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The guy is obviously a big guy, he's not a 135 lbs climber type, yet he's doing some crazy rides/events given his size.
09-18-13, 11:35 AM
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09-18-13, 11:48 AM
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https://www.sportsscientists.com/2007...mance-who.html
09-18-13, 11:52 AM
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They make blood doping sound pretty simple in the Tyler Hamilton book. Take it out, store it at a certain temp, put it back in at a certain speed within a certain time. Not saying I am going to try it myself... But if you were sticking yourself intravenously for EPO, it doesn't SOUND too much different.
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