Homebrew01

Someone in the U.S. did that a few years ago. Drove down a city street crushing cars, then went on the highway. Finally got stuck trying to cross the divider.

himespau 

Maybe it's time you buy it then. My parents' neighbors lost their house to the tax man and I told them they should try to get it themselves. They didn't want the work (the house should have been condemned), so a nice amish family got it (and the accompanying 5 acres) for something like $6k. They're nice, but suddenly there is the smell of horse manure when there's any wind at all and they like to shoot their guns a lot (which makes us nervous to let our kids play in my folks' woods because who knows when they'll start shooting and if they're careful about making sure there's something solid behind wherever they're shooting). Heck, my sister and I would have each kicked in half to buy the land and let the house fall down if we'd have known it would have gone that cheap.

seely

Yeah we don't recommend cloth tape with the tubeless ready design. It'll work better with some tire combinations than others, but if you change out your tires in the future it's worth considering going to Velotape or something equivalent.

Homebrew01

Can I borrow $170,000 ?

merlinextraligh

He would have been better off wearing the seatbelt. Obviously not an engineer, but I've worked with a lot of engineers and accident reconstructionists on automotive products liability cases , and motor vehicle accident cases.

What kills you in an impact is the change in velocity, Delta V, and the time over which the change occurs, Delta T. To the extent you elongate Delta T, you decrease the chance of injury.

A seatbelt, to the extent it holds you in place, allows the crush zones in the car to absorb energy and elongate Delta T.

When you don't have a seatbelt on, the crushing of the car elongates the Delta T for the car, but because you're not stationary in the car, your Delta T, when you slam into the interior of the car is not elongated, and the odds yo die increase substantially.

Another way to think about this is when the car was hit, his body stayed where it was with the car moving underneath, and the interior side of the car moving into him.

A seat belt would have helped to maintain his relationship with the car, reducing the effect of slamming into the interior side.

All that said, its more important in a front impact accident because you've got mcuh more crush zone, than you do on the side.

rbart4506

Thanks for the heads up and I will invest in some for sure because I will be swapping out the tires at some point during the season...

merlinextraligh

Leadville wasn't going to be an "A" goal for me anyway (That will be Masters Nationals). I don't have the vacation time or inclination to do a Leadville qualifier, and Leadville.

Thanks. I might look into them for another year. One attraction of Leadville is that it doesn't have a lot of single track, and more of a dirt road race. Lot of technical single track would require me to really work on mountain biking, and right now I don't even own one.

MDcatV

the MDcatV's need a better strategy. we always owe big coin to da feds. it sure isn't due to the pittance that Mr. MDcatV is making.

merlinextraligh

As long as you don't owe a penalty, and you've planned for it, it's actually a good thing. The Government effectively gave you 15 months float.

MDcatV

^yeah, true, but it still stings when stroking a check for several grand

merlinextraligh

Try paying estimated quarterly income tax. When in your business for yourself, or a partnership, you get to stroke 4 checks a year which can be sizeable.

If everybody had to do estimated quarterlies there would be a tax revolt. But the Government learned from the Car Dealers, you can sell thing on the installment plan, that people wouldn't buy if they had to pay a lump sum.

Flatballer

I considered it, but they're just so big. Not to mention if I come upon a car fire I'm pulling the people out and running the **** away from there, not trying to put it out. Car fires can turn into infernos really fast (inside a couple minutes). If my own car is on fire (extremely unlikely with a new car) I'm just gonna stand back and call the fire department.

I need to check the ones in the house. There are two of them, not sure their age. I glance at the dial every once in a while and last I checked they were both charged still.

happybday29475

I recognize a personality aspect here: you live at sea level, and don't own a MTB, yet try to register for an extremely long MTB race at an extremely high altitude...I have a lot of respect for your skill at self-flagellation.

Flatballer

Yeah, I'm certainly not advocating anyone stop wearing their seatbelts. That makes sense though, and yeah, this side impact looked like he had no crush zone at all, no side airbags, and the B pillar just completely caved in. He would probably have been better off with the seatbelt, because he might have interior injuries now, but it sure looked like he would've been impaled by the B pillar if he didn't get moved over. It was bent almost completely in two, with sharp edges in the broken middle.

merlinextraligh

the point is though without the seat belt, the force of the accident pushes him into the B pillar. The setbelt is at least giving some help in holding him away from the B pillar.

So it's not the incursion of the B pillar into the interior that is the problem as much as it is the side of the car, including the B pillar is be acclerated into his body, which isn't being accelerated, until the side of the interior hits his body.

We used to deal with this in rollover cases, where the roof partially collapsed, and the people didn't wear seatbelts. It's not the roof collapsing in on you that kills you; it's your unrestrained body accelerating out to the roof that kills you. Thus it doesn't matter whether the roof collapses because your impact with the roof, either collapsed or intact kills you.

Similarly here, its the impact with the side of the car that cause injury, regardless of whether the B pillar remains intact.

If the B Pillar were strong enough to not deform at all the Delta V, and Delta T, would be the same for an unrestrained passenger, when he hit the intact B Pillar, as it was when he hit the bent in B Pillar.

For a restrained passenger, the bending of the B Pillar actually provides some ride down, and elongates Delta T.

carpediemracing 

I have one in each car. The one in the Expedition went off while I was packing the thing for Bethel - the pin broke and then something squished into the fire extinguisher. Yellow powder in the back of the Expedition now. I need to buy another one for there.

I have two under the kitchen sink, one in the garage.

I did use one on my own car, back when I set off on a trip around the country. I had the oil changed just before I left (no time to do it myself) and I wondered if the place put in 4 quarts (standard 2.3 liter engine) or 5 quarts (turbo 2.3 liter). I stopped and checked. 4 quarts. I put in a quart, spilled some. It flared up under the plug wires. I ended up using most of one fire extinguisher on the engine as it kept flaring up. I had three extinguishers in the car to start with and I didn't add oil to the car when it was hot from there on in.

Engine blew about 100 miles after I got back from the trip so the car was done after that.

furiousferret

Speaking of auto accidents, my wife saw a two car collision while she was at her nephew's baseball game this weekend. A car ran a red and t-boned a sedan. He got out and ran away, the people in the sedan weren't so lucky (two fatalities). There was pizza all over the accident scene, whatever party they were attending is going to get a real somber surprise.

Creakyknees

Health update because I know you care: Went from death warmed over yesterday morning, headache, hacking up huge chunks of nasty green schnot with blood in it... started the antibiotics and 'roids last night... woke up this morning feeling GREAT!

Steroids are AMAZING!

... too bad I can't race this weekend... ah well.

merlinextraligh

On a practical level, it really doesn't matter, and I know you're not getting a performance advantage, but technically can you take steroids for a medical condition out of competition?

I know you can't get a TUE for steroids (i.e. low levels of natuarally occurring hormones) Can you get them for things like Prednisone. I would assume so, given that half the pros are on Albuterol.

gwchem

Albuterol doesn't require a TUE anymore, provided you don't exceed a maximum dosage.

Prohibited List - Athlete Guide | U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA)

merlinextraligh

I think the answer to my drug question may be that steroids you'd take to treat a cold, such as Prednisone, are catabolic steroids, not anabbolic, and not banned.

Could be wrong; little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Flatballer

I see your point, got it. Without the belt on, the car moves to his right, he doesn't, he hits the pillar coming from his left, then car stops and he keeps going (having been accelerated by the pillar) to his right, hits the other side of the interior. With the belt on, he moves right initially with the car, staying away from the pillar, car stops and he stops too, staying in the left side, near the pillar, but probably not really hitting it much.

But yeah, the difference in injury and damage between the restrained passengers in a frontal collision and an unrestrained passenger in a side collision, is substantial. Crumple zones and airbags are pretty awesome, when combined with seatbelts. Very little crumple zone plus no seat belt and no side airbag is ugly.

merlinextraligh

No doubt, relatively minor side impacts kill people, where they'd walk away from the same speed frontal impact. One reason side curtin airbags are a good thing.

Creakyknees

I looked it up yesterday, linky in a previous post. Short answer, it's prohibited "in competition" meaning that if I pee hot on race day I'm busted (assuming no TUE). But it's not prohibited "out of competition" meaning I can take it with no TUE as long as I'm not racing.

merlinextraligh

Missed that. Cool link