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Old 02-16-14, 07:33 PM   #8301
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3hrs z2 --> 5min z1

I got doored a few blocks from home. mother ****er.

stiff neck, dislocated right pinkie finger, totaled rear reynolds carbon clincher. i have a police report and his insurance info, just not looking fwd to dealing w his insurance provider.
DON'T RIDE IN THE DOOR ZONE!!

And yes, dealing with insurance is a PITA, but it usually turns out ok after all is said and done.
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Old 02-16-14, 08:26 PM   #8302
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3hrs z2 --> 5min z1

I got doored a few blocks from home. mother ****er.

stiff neck, dislocated right pinkie finger, totaled rear reynolds carbon clincher. i have a police report and his insurance info, just not looking fwd to dealing w his insurance provider.
Geez that sucks! Heal up...
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Old 02-16-14, 08:28 PM   #8303
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3hrs today, did another virtual RR. Picked a hilly route, so I hit the hills hard and recovered on the downhills. This one was good since there were 6 real riders doing the same race. This really adds a whole new dimension to indoor training.

Forgot about the cleaning intervals this afternoon, I'm missing the cleaner...And no I'm talking about the wife *lol*
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Old 02-16-14, 08:56 PM   #8304
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Juniors ride today. Kids did a 5 mile TT and just for the heck of it, the old man did one too. Then some tempo. 86tss.
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Old 02-16-14, 09:01 PM   #8305
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i think forums like bf have a biased sample, especially for lower category riders, because forums by nature attract weird, neurotic personality types. so if you just browse on here, it seems like tons of cat 3s and 4s are training 16-20hrs/week. but out in the real world, talking to people, I think 6-12 is a pretty solid estimate for anyone cat 3 and below and for older guys who have been 2s for years. i got roped into the mindset that you needed to be doing big big hours to get fast in the lower categories and i think it hurt me for a season or two.
my largest week last year was 14 hrs, and i did that twice. Otherwise i didn't go above 10 hrs after the end of collegiates and was averaging more around 8. I think i did alright in my first year as a cat-3.

I'm not sure what my biggest week this year will be, but i have yet to go over 11 hours this year.

It's not that forum people are neurotic; it's more that there are some who really like others to know how much they are training, and their posts are what will often be heard. I prefer not to get into the whole discussion.

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I'm not sure I had a week longer than 13, though it's possible I did back in the fall. Sometimes I miss monster miles.
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is that significantly reduced from past seasons or am i remembering incorrectly?

i think people also like big hours (in addition to the fact that riding bikes is fun) because they're "pro," and are easier than smashing a 2 hour interval ride, but in all honesty, 99% of us rarely race for over 3.5 or 4 hours. I can't remember if I've ever done a race much over 3 hours, tbh.
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~5.25 hrs, a fair bit of tempo in the second half, sprinklings of z4.

im tired.

another 3hrs tmrrw then im resting up next week!
you are taking a week off?
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is that significantly reduced from past seasons or am i remembering incorrectly?

i think people also like big hours (in addition to the fact that riding bikes is fun) because they're "pro," and are easier than smashing a 2 hour interval ride, but in all honesty, 99% of us rarely race for over 3.5 or 4 hours. I can't remember if I've ever done a race much over 3 hours, tbh.
i never really had consistent large weeks. Grad school mostly didn't allow for it, and whatever crazy/or misguided attempts at doing high volume i didn't execute correctly and ended up not getting much in return.
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Cat 3, 9-11 hrs/wk typically. Work and family life make it difficult to get away for much more.
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i never really had consistent large weeks. Grad school mostly didn't allow for it, and whatever crazy/or misguided attempts at doing high volume i didn't execute correctly and ended up not getting much in return.
yeah, i do big weeks now because i can and i enjoy it. but when working a real job/life i'm not sure it'll be as appealing.
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Old 02-16-14, 10:00 PM   #8311
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Averaging 12.5 hours currently. I commute for ~7 hours, so that gets my time up. Other than that, I've been doing maybe 2.5 hours total in two training sessions during the week plus whatever races I have on the weekend. This weekend I got almost 7 hours of racing. Last weekend was 2 crits so I got 1.2 hours of racing. My biggest week was Christmas break - no work so I got 24 hours. Damn, I wish I could do that more!
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For me its really hard to put training in perspective of hours because the differences in intensity really kill me. A really hard training day could put my leg out of commission for 2 days, but an easy 5 hour z2 ride I'll be fine the next day.

People respond differently to stimuli, some guys need big volume to do well, others don't. When I was younger the only way I could compete as a runner doing 5k's was to run 80+ miles a week. Other guys could do it on half that. Since running is the only real thing I've had success in, I tend to apply the long distance = better performance algorithm to cycling.

My times are around 12 hours a week right now but I can tell racing is really going to affect it; especially since crits around here are on Sunday which throws big Saturday rides out the window.
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Old 02-16-14, 10:30 PM   #8313
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For me its really hard to put training in perspective of hours because the differences in intensity really kill me. A really hard training day could put my leg out of commission for 2 days, but an easy 5 hour z2 ride I'll be fine the next day.

People respond differently to stimuli, some guys need big volume to do well, others don't. When I was younger the only way I could compete as a runner doing 5k's was to run 80+ miles a week. Other guys could do it on half that. Since running is the only real thing I've had success in, I tend to apply the long distance = better performance algorithm to cycling.

My times are around 12 hours a week right now but I can tell racing is really going to affect it; especially since crits around here are on Sunday which throws big Saturday rides out the window.
Why does it throw big Saturday's out? I'd still do big Saturday's most weeks. It's good to do 2 hard days in a row, IMO.

And on running/miles, that's probably why I couldn't get faster than about 20' for my 5k time. I only did about 20 miles a week:
a "long" day ~10 mile trail run or 12-15 mile flattish run
an easy ~3 or 4 mile day
a 3 or 4 mile interval day
a 3 or 4 mile threshold run.

I never built a base. But I did do pretty well in the 1/2 marathon distance Spartan Races (tons of climbing & lots of upper body strength required).
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Two nice rides this weekend. Last weekend 2 feet of snow dumped on us but warm weather and some rain this week melted it away.

Saturday was 4 hrs and 220 TSS
Sunday was 3.5 hours and 214 TSS

First race in 2 weeks
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3hrs z2 --> 5min z1

I got doored a few blocks from home. mother ****er.

stiff neck, dislocated right pinkie finger, totaled rear reynolds carbon clincher. i have a police report and his insurance info, just not looking fwd to dealing w his insurance provider.
damn sorry to hear that. hows your head? you hit it hard?
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Recovery day today. However, munchkin #1 has had a fever the last couple of days, and I seem to be getting a bit congested. Booo.

I think this probably means that I should take a few days off of hard intervals - really getting sick would probably hurt my training a lot more.
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I'm a big hour guy, but it hasn't translated into results. I've had many 12 - 15hr weeks and that's been during race season. My fault us that I really enjoy riding my bike. Add in the fact it takes 30-45min to get to suitable roads for workouts and the hours pile up.

Cripes I did 50hrs in January on the rollers, but some of that was therapy

I think that's part of the issue, there's been so much going on in my life the last few years and the bike time has helped me deal with it... Or maybe not deal with it....
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3hrs z2 --> 5min z1

I got doored a few blocks from home. mother ****er.

stiff neck, dislocated right pinkie finger, totaled rear reynolds carbon clincher. i have a police report and his insurance info, just not looking fwd to dealing w his insurance provider.
sorry to hear that! and I know what you mean when dealing with insurance providers

Yesterday - 4 hrs with 4x30 mid z3...glad to have a nice short day today
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I got doored a few blocks from home. mother ****er.

stiff neck, dislocated right pinkie finger, totaled rear reynolds carbon clincher. i have a police report and his insurance info, just not looking fwd to dealing w his insurance provider.
Yikes, heal up fast.
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TMonk, ouch. Heal up. Pesky drivers.
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i have another long ride...I'm getting real tired of this winter ****
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Sorry to hear about the door tmonk. I'm surprised those don't turn out worse than they usually do. Scary.

Went backpacking two nights this weekend with my son's scout troop. I spent most of Saturday running all over Pedernales Falls State Park setting up an orienteering challenge for them. We set up a couple traps, and each team fell for at least one of them. I got a lot of trail running, scrambling, and hiking in, and everyone had a blast.

This morning: back on the trainer easy to continue a rest week.

Watched House of Cards. The last scene of S2E1 is freaking awesome. Kitty talk followed by an f u. Just brilliant. "Welcome Back." Really freaking good show.
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I'm a big hour guy, but it hasn't translated into results. I've had many 12 - 15hr weeks and that's been during race season. My fault us that I really enjoy riding my bike. Add in the fact it takes 30-45min to get to suitable roads for workouts and the hours pile up.

Cripes I did 50hrs in January on the rollers, but some of that was therapy

I think that's part of the issue, there's been so much going on in my life the last few years and the bike time has helped me deal with it... Or maybe not deal with it....

I love big hours, I just feel much more solid on the bike (even on a bad day) when I have lots of miles in my legs. Part of it is I like riding my bike too - not just suffering for 90 minutes and calling it a day. The key is knowing when to do big hours and when to cut back and up the intensity.
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embrace the long rides - soon you'll be coughing up blood and crying for mercy with intervals
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There's nothing worse than not being able to ride on a day off. My calf is in mild pain, and I'd rather not spend the spring in crutches just because I was too hard headed to listen to my body. Not sure what I'm going to do with myself today, there's not even any good movies out.
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