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    Decided to skip the rollers last night and fight the wind/cold...

    Rode for 2hrs doing loops of the valley staying protected from the wind. Great workout, lots of climbing for around here, legs were hurting.

    Now it's time to prep for Friday's race...
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    Wednesday Worlds tonight, it's cool and windy today which means the pace will be intense. I'll see how I feel after tonight which will dictate what I do tomorrow. Either 30"/30" sprints or recovery ride in preperation for Saturday's Naval Yard Crit
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbart4506 View Post
    Decided to skip the rollers last night and fight the wind/cold...

    Rode for 2hrs doing loops of the valley staying protected from the wind. Great workout, lots of climbing for around here, legs were hurting.

    Now it's time to prep for Friday's race...
    Springbank?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShutUpLegs View Post
    Wednesday Worlds tonight, it's cool and windy today which means the pace will be intense. I'll see how I feel after tonight which will dictate what I do tomorrow. Either 30"/30" sprints or recovery ride in preperation for Saturday's Naval Yard Crit
    Thursday before a Saturday race on a non-rest week I would do some intensity. A couple of our guys are going down for that race. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    Thursday before a Saturday race on a non-rest week I would do some intensity. A couple of our guys are going down for that race. Good luck.
    That's the plan. Thanks, one of my favorite races and every year I've been so close a win but have always came up a little short...hoping that changes this time
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    Springbank?
    Good Friday RR in Hmailton, Springbank is May5th... I hate that race, or maybe it hates me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    Thursday before a Saturday race on a non-rest week I would do some intensity. A couple of our guys are going down for that race. Good luck.
    Interesting, worth filing away for future reference. I am doing the same race as rbart on Friday, took this morning off, but kind of feel like it would have been good to get some intervals in.

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    Did my hard day yesterday. Today will be high cadence work, tomorrow openers, Friday race.

    This is not a focus race for me what so ever.

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    72 miles, 7500'

    Included climbing Kings Mountain Road as hard as I could. Two of us working to death trying to keep up with Eric, and then halfway up I guess he decided he had had enough of this recovery pace nonsense and flew away. Literally. Like out of sight in seconds.

    Ride also included a 4 mile, 1500' dirt/gravel climb that hurt like hell, especially after the first painful climb. You can't slow down on gravel.

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    Today on the trainer: Total time: 1 hour
    20 min incremental warm-up
    6 x (40+20sec) VO2 max
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    Today doing grading homework and exam intervals. Not good for my blood pressure especially when it has been really nice weather for riding.
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    Looking for advice/thoughts... again.

    So I've noticed that for the first time (these past few weeks) that tempo pace, Z3, whatever - feels much easier than it did for my first few months with a power meter. For a while I'd see guys post "2x20 SST" casually like it was no big deal, but knew it would hurt me like crazy. Now I don't feel the same. Thinking the difference is just months of consistent riding/training/racing.

    So this got me thinking. Some people say you don't need big hours to get fast, but I'm starting to see how big hours could help. A lot. Kind of in the way that riding for years makes changes over time. I am starting a phase of what I hope to be like a mid-season base, in which I ramp up to log as many hours as I can, followed by increasing the amount of hard climbs (threshold work) mixed into those hours.

    I still plan on racing weekends, but my midweek plan will be something like cram a ton of Z2 hours in Tues, Wed, Thurs, with Wed being the only day I am allowed to climb hard. See how much I can tolerate. Then try to get hard climbs in on the other days as well.

    So I'm wondering if this is a bad or good idea, if it could work, or if it's trying too hard to force things. I figure a little experimenting is good for someone with half a year of serious riding, but I also don't want to waste time doing stupid ****.

    Anyway, gotta go make food before knocking out a couple hours before I coach.

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    ^^ you're new enough to racing that whatever you do will pay dividends if you're riding the bike.

    everyone can tell you what worked for them, only you can tell you what works best for you.

    what you're describing is what I have done for years now, just without any restriction or any of the strict z2.

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    That kind of plan can work to a point. Just make sure to balance the rest. If you think you have gains then you should retest and adjust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
    For a while I'd see guys post "2x20 SST" casually like it was no big deal, but knew it would hurt me like crazy. Now I don't feel the same.
    If they don't hurt, then you are doing them wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mollusk View Post
    If they don't hurt, then you are doing them wrong.
    20 minute intervals at 90% of FTP don't hurt nearly as much as the same duration at FTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mollusk View Post
    If they don't hurt, then you are doing them wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dunbar View Post
    20 minute intervals at 90% of FTP don't hurt nearly as much as the same duration at FTP.
    Yep. If you're doing 2x20 "push" intervals, they are not going to hurt. Maybe just edging in on uncomfortable. There is a place for this sort of training in a plan to raise threshold.

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    Training crit. Tactically I'm getting better and more efficient, but I'm still off the back after a few laps. Got some help from my coach and didn't feel the need to throw my bike in across the road in disgust. Its going to be interesting how I do in the 5's race this weekend, which hopefully will be slower without a bunch of p12's pulling everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post
    Training crit. Tactically I'm getting better and more efficient, but I'm still off the back after a few laps. Got some help from my coach and didn't feel the need to throw my bike in across the road in disgust. Its going to be interesting how I do in the 5's race this weekend, which hopefully will be slower without a bunch of p12's pulling everyone.
    Don't be discouraged when you are in a race where you are clearly in way over your head. You should use these races to practice drafting, moving up in the field when there is a lull, and basic conservation. I'm surprised that whoever is running this race allows Cat1's and Cat5's in the same field. That is a disaster waiting to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    Don't be discouraged when you are in a race where you are clearly in way over your head. You should use these races to practice drafting, moving up in the field when there is a lull, and basic conservation. I'm surprised that whoever is running this race allows Cat1's and Cat5's in the same field. That is a disaster waiting to happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post
    Training crit. Tactically I'm getting better and more efficient, but I'm still off the back after a few laps. Got some help from my coach and didn't feel the need to throw my bike in across the road in disgust. Its going to be interesting how I do in the 5's race this weekend, which hopefully will be slower without a bunch of p12's pulling everyone.
    NEVER should Cat 5 and 4's be mixed with P1-2's in any race... The subtleties of years of racing even in Pro 1-3 are obscure to 4 and 5's.
    (1st ) If the Pro 1-2's are towing the field than it really isn't a race... There is little to be learned about racing when you are just hanging on to the wheel ahead...
    (2) In a field of Cat 4-5's you will have opportunity to employ tactics, good or bad results will teach you what does or doesn't work..
    (3) As a 5 you should be spending quality time in any training or race situation.
    (4) Heaving an inanimate object because of your perceived mistake is infantile... The Pro's do it because someone else prepared their bikes and mechanically it failed... But it still is frowned upon... As a 5, acting like a 1st year Junior is not very credible ( hopefully heaving the bike is a metaphor only )....
    Ah.... Voila les Cannon ... !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    Don't be discouraged when you are in a race where you are clearly in way over your head. You should use these races to practice drafting, moving up in the field when there is a lull, and basic conservation. I'm surprised that whoever is running this race allows Cat1's and Cat5's in the same field. That is a disaster waiting to happen.
    Its a training crit, so its not a race. Just a bunch of guys meeting up in an industrial park and doing a crit, no one there wants to crash and there is nothing at stake so its more of a really fast circling paceline. Half the time there is no finish, and if someone is squirrely in the field they'll get called out for it. It's self policed very well and most of these guys have been doing it for years and there are only a handful of newer riders.

    Personally I think its a better environment than just throwing a 5 into a race and expecting them to know how to race. Some of these guys have been helping me out with tips, etc.

    @Moyene Corniche Yes I wouldn't throw my bike, it costs too much. That being said, there's absolutely nothing wrong with throwing a temper tantrum (so long as it is in private). Show me a person who is okay with doing poorly and I'm sure next year they'll be in that same spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post
    Its a training crit, so its not a race.
    wut

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    How is a Training Crit not a race ??? It may not apply to upgrade points and what not but it is still a race...
    Wether an actual race or a Training Race it still should not be such a mixed field...
    P1-2-3's can race together but 4-5's should not be included and should have their own separate race...
    Or it really isn't a training race, but a group ride....

    The point of a training series is to have the rider's learn to race amongst a similar level...
    If you want to improve in racing than a viable well organized Training Race should be the venue..
    If your intent is to improve your skills then training rides with 2 and 3's will be a much more rewarding medium...
    As soon as the word Race enters the equation, then in a 1-5 field, no matter how supposedly casual, something is going to go wrong sooner or later, due to the cause and effect of having inexperienced with experienced riders...
    You guy's are definitely rolling the dice in this format....
    Ah.... Voila les Cannon ... !!

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    Sounds to me like he's describing a tightly organized group ride, nothing more. I ride with many people in higher cats, that's simply the nature of a group ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rankin116 View Post
    Sounds to me like he's describing a tightly organized group ride, nothing more. I ride with many people in higher cats, that's simply the nature of a group ride.
    It's a flat, 4 corner rectangle course that the folks do laps on for an hour. No promoter. Mixed group so the pace is higher and smoother overall than you find in a 4/5 race. The less experienced guys get some motor pacing and learn how to hold position and draft, the big dawgs get to take some long fast pulls and toss in some sprints.
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