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Training Status??? (III)

Old 07-23-14, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
Several layers to this:

1) Can I get stronger without gaining muscle?
-Yes, to a point. Improved technique can improve weight lifted/moved so with that in mind you can. That caps off though, at which point you will need to gain some muscle to increase strength. Given that cycling is about power to weight, it's up to you to figure out that balance for you.

2) I don't know what you mean by bulkier. Muscle is more dense than fat and you end up with the same weight if you have less of it than fat, so if you feel more muscular, then kudos, but 'bulkier' would make me think you gained fat.

Point is, you'll need more muscle to get stronger. So yes, you'll need to gain some weight if you want to keep making progress in the gym.



I mean... Are you saying catabolic without protein supplements or protein at all? It would be idiotic to go to a protein-less diet, but your body can synthesis proteins pretty with carbs (see: krebs cycle/transamination)
Protein, I don't think Creature or I mentioned protein supplements specifically, I know that I didn't. You will however need more protein to build muscle than the layman who is less active/doesn't expect to build muscle
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Old 07-23-14, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Creatre
Bulk is not required for strength.
I get what you are trying to say (lifting for strength versus hypertrophy) but muscle mass is absolutely required for strength.

Muscle Physiology - Physiologic Cross-sectional Areas
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Old 07-23-14, 11:56 AM
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most of us could increase our strength without muscle mass gains via neurological gain in better muscle fiber recruitment, i.e. noob gains.

maybe not in our legs, given that most of use those regularly.
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Originally Posted by mattm
nice - now see if u can break it out when u really need it.

Hopefully I will get the chance tonight.
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Race winning intervals on my commute to work this morning....after those I am not feeling up to getting much work done currently!
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Scott Foil seatpost slipped mid climb during a relatively high intensity ride last night. At first it was a centimeter or two then just a full slip with the saddle all the way down to the top tube. Not cool...applied more fiber paste and cranked the bolt down this AM. Hope this holds.
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use a torque wrench? that thing needs to be 8-10nm to hold.

also, check the top tube to be sure the edges of the plug/bolt assembly aren't pushing into the fiber at the top tube, which is what lead to my first warranty.

here's a picture of me getting ****ed in a race by this problem!


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Old 07-24-14, 10:21 AM
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Yup...that's how I was looking until I found a spot to pull off. I'll check it over this afternoon to make sure there is no top tube damage. No torque wrench though. I do need to pick one up one of these days and this may be the final straw for that.
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Missed my 6 AM wake-up call this morning. Oh well, I'll ride in the evening. The hardest part of switching to a morning workout schedule is getting to bed early enough. Maybe I should shift my schedule to getting up early for every day of the week, not just days with workouts.
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
use a torque wrench? that thing needs to be 8-10nm to hold.

also, check the top tube to be sure the edges of the plug/bolt assembly aren't pushing into the fiber at the top tube, which is what lead to my first warranty.

here's a picture of me getting ****ed in a race by this problem!

Were you unaware of rule 82 at the time?
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Old 07-24-14, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by aaronmcd
Were you unaware of rule 82 at the time?
I mercifully still am.
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
I mercifully still am.
In part:
"It is completely inappropriate to have uncovered arms, while covering the knees"
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are there 81 other rules of that importance?
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
are there 81 other rules of that importance?
i'm sure there must be a rule about seat height relative to handlebars, too. they may exempt you as your situation can be attributed to a frame failure.
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I thought this was the keeper of the rules:

Velominati ? The Rules

Am I mistaken?
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pretty sure anyone who tries to talk to me about those rules is mistaken!
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Originally Posted by hack
No torque wrench though.
$3k frame and you can't pony up $40 for a torque wrench? smdh.
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Originally Posted by mike868y
$3k frame and you can't pony up $40 for a torque wrench? smdh.
It's amazing how many people that work on their own bikes don't have one. You really need two.
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
It's amazing how many people that work on their own bikes don't have one. You really need two.
but $200 for a pair of oakleys? INSTANT PURCHASE.
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
It's amazing how many people that work on their own bikes don't have one. You really need two.
one for cranks, one for everything else
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
one for cranks, one for everything else
One 1/4", one 3/8".
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
One 1/4", one 3/8".
well you can step up/down the head size, I just have one long one for more torque on cranks, short one for the stems/posts stuff.
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Originally Posted by mike868y
$3k frame and you can't pony up $40 for a torque wrench? smdh.
I know it's crazy and I hadn't really put it into that perspective. To be fair, the frame was substantially cheaper than $3k, but the torque wrench cost is still a small percentage of the frame cost.

Shopping for one now...
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Sac river ride, limited wind tonight made for a fun ride. Ran into @caloso as well.
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Originally Posted by hack
I know it's crazy and I hadn't really put it into that perspective. To be fair, the frame was substantially cheaper than $3k, but the torque wrench cost is still a small percentage of the frame cost.

Shopping for one now...
i just have a $20 "torque key" which just maxes out a 5nm. much cheaper than a fancy pants torque wrench, but of course more limited.
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