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Old 02-01-05, 09:45 AM   #1
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Phonak Reinstated on Pro Tour by Euro Sport Court

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Old 02-01-05, 09:56 AM   #2
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I thought yesterday was supposed to be some big day in Tyler Hamilton's doping case. Did anyone hear anything? Would Phonak reinstate him if he was innocent?
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Good news!
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Thanks for the news!

Sounds great.

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Old 02-01-05, 11:39 AM   #5
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Would anyone care if there were no Americans on the team? Especially Tyler?
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The French love the French, the Italians the Italians, why is wrong for Americans to like Americans.

I would be just as interested if this was an Ullrich T-mobile issue.
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The question should be "Would anybody care if there were "no named" riders on the team?"!
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Old 02-01-05, 12:02 PM   #8
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The question should be "Would anybody care if there were "no named" riders on the team?"!
If this were Credit Agricole or Rabobank, would anyone care?

But anyway, I guess it's good to see Phonak in.
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No, but that's kind of the point. This probably happens to a lot of "no named" teams.
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Old 02-01-05, 12:04 PM   #10
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By "no named" you mean, no American names, right?
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How about we replace "no named" with "no grand tour" teams. I understand that you are trying to walk the high road by emphasizing egocentric American stereotype.
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Rabo and CA are both "named" and "grand tour" teams. Not trying to walk any high road. I think the "American names" about covers it.

Grasschopper: I don't know what happened to Tyler's case.

The question now is if how seriously Phonak will be taken.
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I thought yesterday was supposed to be some big day in Tyler Hamilton's doping case. Did anyone hear anything? Would Phonak reinstate him if he was innocent?
Tyler's hearing was on the 25th the last I heard, unless it was changed. The results or decisions may not be known for a while.

The above decision by the CAS with regard to Phonak's status in the ProTour is so good to see. to quote:

"...It was not possible..., to remove the Phonak team from the ProTour on the sole basis of doping suspicions..."

Glad someone has some good sense and is in a position to overrule the UCI.
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I was refering to non grand tour teams in general. I know CA and Rabobank are grand tour teams. I think the people in these forums would be interested if any of these teams had this situation. Do we care more since there is a big named american involved? Sure. So I guess your point is correct.
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Would anyone care if there were no Americans on the team? Especially Tyler?
Laggard, would you please get off of your high horse. Thank you.
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Laggard, would you please get off of your high horse. Thank you.
He must be on a high horse, cause I know he wouldn't come near a camelbak.
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He must be on a high horse, cause I know he wouldn't come near a camelbak.
Good one. If I were crossing the dessert I'd come near a camelbak.
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Good one. If I were crossing the dessert I'd come near a camelbak.
ummm...dessert.
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Old 02-01-05, 01:15 PM   #19
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How bout desert? I had lunch on my mind.
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from cyclingnews:

"However, it is indisputable that, for the Phonak team, the year 2004 was marked by blood tests with average high values, a confirmed doping case and two cases of adverse analytical findings."

agence france presse:

"The two remain the only athletes who have ever tested positive for homologous blood doping."

Laggard:

"The question now is how seriously Phonak will be taken."

For the sake of the continued support of the other sponsors, let's hope they are on a ridiculously short leash.
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Some of us do care about cycling not just Americans in cycling. No doubt this forum and just about every bike shop in this country can thank LA, Tyler, and Greg LeMond for helping them grow. Last years TdF would have been awesome if LA, Tyler, and Levi all made the podium. Remember this is still a Euro dominated sport and when an American does well I think it's big news.

I really don't see any difference between the Basque rooting for Iban Mayo or the Germans rooting for Jan than an American cycling fan rooting for LA or Tyler.

One thing that I do see a big difference in, between American and Euro fans, is the attitude towards winning. After the TdF in both ProCycling and Cyclesport (bigger in ProCycling) the writting was very much anti-Lance because of his dominance. In ProCycling one section was called "Armstrong goes Power Mad!" and really laid into him for out sprinting Kleoden for the stage win. I found it interesting in this months Cyclesport that Merkx was critisized for the same thing, his relentless desire to win and crush his rivals. Michael Schumacher and Ferrari are pumelled daily in the Euro press for their dominance in Formula 1. In this country we call teams like that dynasties and in most cases celebrate them (Yankees are the exception).

I think it's unfair to lay into a person (even if they are not as versed in the sport as you are) just because they are LA fans first and cycling fans second. Even though many will loose interest when LA retires some will stay with the sport and become more knowlagable.
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Yay Floyd.
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Floyd is overrated. Extremely.

Oh, and good news for Phonak.
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I have been saying this since the tour when everyone went Floyd crazy. No one listens.
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That's really besides the point isn't it? At least he'll be able to ride the Tour.
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