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    Vacaville GP p/1/2's, 33 miles/30 laps - pack finish, 20-something probably (out of 50).

    Hill wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be, we went fast up it but nothing too bad. Tried to bridge to a move about midway through but didn't jump hard enough and just dragged the pack with me, oops.

    Cones blocking a pothole or something before the last turn seemed to surprise guys a few times, one went down hard. So it goes.

    Braked when an almost-crash happened in front of me, causing someone to ram from behind.. bending my derailleur! **** Still rolling so I shrugged and kept on chugging.. but dammit, gotta get that fixed by next weekend!!

    Tailgunned for a bunch of laps, on the last lap a group of 4 had left our group, I jumped on the hill to bridge to them, couldn't make it, almost held of the rest of the pack but got swarmed before the line, cruised in.

    Good training, and now I know what to expect there next year! I like that course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
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    River Gorge RR P12 - 42/~75
    - Strava: http://www.strava.com/activities/77277533
    - Did this race last year so sorta knew what to expect (though last year I was a 3, this year in the P12). Lots of climbing. Deceptive to think there are only two climbs in the race because of profile, but there is tons of climbing in between. Same as last year, where I popped on the middle climb (sand mtn). I was perfectly positioned in the top 5 hitting the climb. Hung for about 5 mins then popped off. I probably should have paced myself more rather than trying to hang with the leaders. Because I fell completely apart by the end and lost a lot of time in the last 2-3 mins of the climb. Got together with a good size group and we rode pretty hard to the final climb, while picking up lots of stragglers popping off the lead group on the rollers. Hit the final climb and finished probably like 5th from our little group. Super high HR and RPE for the watts I put down on that final climb, was definitely fatigued from the earlier climbing. Definitely a super painful race.

    Important part is this is a huge improvement over a month ago where I was getting shelled left and right on flattish/roller RR. Yes, I still got dropped, but there was a pretty solid field and extremely difficult course, and almost half the field was behind me, and this was the third week of a training block. So I'll take it!

    River Gorge TT P12 - 13/25 (5th Cat2)
    - Strava: http://www.strava.com/activities/77277515
    - I liked this course last year, so was hoping for a good ride. I only cut 4 seconds off my time from last year. Did 20w more average, and had carbon 50mm wheels vs 30mm wheels last year and had a better skinsuit compared to last year. So that was kind of a bummer. But I did do the RR earlier in the day (though I still hit the watts I wanted to hit). And I would have won the TT in the Cat3's if I was still a Cat3. And I missed out on Cat2 payout by only 10 seconds. So all in all a solid time trial.
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    I'll follow-up Creatre's race report on River Gorge with one of my own. This was my first race as a Cat 3 so I had no idea how the race would compare to the Cat 4 RRs I've done all year. I wasn't overly concerned with getting dropped by the main group, but I really wanted to hang with the lead group over Sand Mountain. I made sure I was top 10 going into the climb and concentrated on hanging onto the guys wheel in front of me. When I would look back I could tell the field was exploding and I was very happy to make it to the top with a group of about 10 guys. We picked up two more from a break of three that formed early in the race and after the descent a couple more guys caught us, making our group about 15. There was one rider solo off the front and he kept putting time on us at every check. He ended up having a 2.5 minute lead going into the last climb. Someone told me later he was from Belgium and had been training there all summer. I did my share at the front as we made our way to the final climb. I was able to hang on until about half way up and shortly after that the rest of the group shattered. I couldn't catch the solo guy in front of me but I also had a big gap on the next guy behind me. I finished 11th overall (10th out of the main group). I was very happy with the result and gives me a lot of motivation going into the off season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creatre View Post
    River Gorge RR P12 - 42/~75
    - Strava: http://www.strava.com/activities/77277533
    - Did this race last year so sorta knew what to expect (though last year I was a 3, this year in the P12). Lots of climbing. Deceptive to think there are only two climbs in the race because of profile, but there is tons of climbing in between. Same as last year, where I popped on the middle climb (sand mtn). I was perfectly positioned in the top 5 hitting the climb. Hung for about 5 mins then popped off. I probably should have paced myself more rather than trying to hang with the leaders. Because I fell completely apart by the end and lost a lot of time in the last 2-3 mins of the climb. Got together with a good size group and we rode pretty hard to the final climb, while picking up lots of stragglers popping off the lead group on the rollers. Hit the final climb and finished probably like 5th from our little group. Super high HR and RPE for the watts I put down on that final climb, was definitely fatigued from the earlier climbing. Definitely a super painful race.

    Important part is this is a huge improvement over a month ago where I was getting shelled left and right on flattish/roller RR. Yes, I still got dropped, but there was a pretty solid field and extremely difficult course, and almost half the field was behind me, and this was the third week of a training block. So I'll take it!

    River Gorge TT P12 - 13/25 (5th Cat2)
    - Strava: http://www.strava.com/activities/77277515
    - I liked this course last year, so was hoping for a good ride. I only cut 4 seconds off my time from last year. Did 20w more average, and had carbon 50mm wheels vs 30mm wheels last year and had a better skinsuit compared to last year. So that was kind of a bummer. But I did do the RR earlier in the day (though I still hit the watts I wanted to hit). And I would have won the TT in the Cat3's if I was still a Cat3. And I missed out on Cat2 payout by only 10 seconds. So all in all a solid time trial.
    Glad to get a report from this race! That was a seriously STRONG field and glad you were able to improve on this race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttusomeone View Post
    I'll follow-up Creatre's race report on River Gorge with one of my own. This was my first race as a Cat 3 so I had no idea how the race would compare to the Cat 4 RRs I've done all year. I wasn't overly concerned with getting dropped by the main group, but I really wanted to hang with the lead group over Sand Mountain. I made sure I was top 10 going into the climb and concentrated on hanging onto the guys wheel in front of me. When I would look back I could tell the field was exploding and I was very happy to make it to the top with a group of about 10 guys. We picked up two more from a break of three that formed early in the race and after the descent a couple more guys caught us, making our group about 15. There was one rider solo off the front and he kept putting time on us at every check. He ended up having a 2.5 minute lead going into the last climb. Someone told me later he was from Belgium and had been training there all summer. I did my share at the front as we made our way to the final climb. I was able to hang on until about half way up and shortly after that the rest of the group shattered. I couldn't catch the solo guy in front of me but I also had a big gap on the next guy behind me. I finished 11th overall (10th out of the main group). I was very happy with the result and gives me a lot of motivation going into the off season.
    EPIC! great job man, I had no idea, wondered why I didn't see you listed in the 4s race. Great start as a 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttusomeone View Post
    I'll follow-up Creatre's race report on River Gorge with one of my own. This was my first race as a Cat 3 so I had no idea how the race would compare to the Cat 4 RRs I've done all year. I wasn't overly concerned with getting dropped by the main group, but I really wanted to hang with the lead group over Sand Mountain. I made sure I was top 10 going into the climb and concentrated on hanging onto the guys wheel in front of me. When I would look back I could tell the field was exploding and I was very happy to make it to the top with a group of about 10 guys. We picked up two more from a break of three that formed early in the race and after the descent a couple more guys caught us, making our group about 15. There was one rider solo off the front and he kept putting time on us at every check. He ended up having a 2.5 minute lead going into the last climb. Someone told me later he was from Belgium and had been training there all summer. I did my share at the front as we made our way to the final climb. I was able to hang on until about half way up and shortly after that the rest of the group shattered. I couldn't catch the solo guy in front of me but I also had a big gap on the next guy behind me. I finished 11th overall (10th out of the main group). I was very happy with the result and gives me a lot of motivation going into the off season.
    Nice, solid result!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creatre View Post
    River Gorge RR P12 - 42/~75
    - Strava: http://www.strava.com/activities/77277533
    - Did this race last year so sorta knew what to expect (though last year I was a 3, this year in the P12). Lots of climbing. Deceptive to think there are only two climbs in the race because of profile, but there is tons of climbing in between. Same as last year, where I popped on the middle climb (sand mtn). I was perfectly positioned in the top 5 hitting the climb. Hung for about 5 mins then popped off. I probably should have paced myself more rather than trying to hang with the leaders. Because I fell completely apart by the end and lost a lot of time in the last 2-3 mins of the climb. Got together with a good size group and we rode pretty hard to the final climb, while picking up lots of stragglers popping off the lead group on the rollers. Hit the final climb and finished probably like 5th from our little group. Super high HR and RPE for the watts I put down on that final climb, was definitely fatigued from the earlier climbing. Definitely a super painful race.

    Important part is this is a huge improvement over a month ago where I was getting shelled left and right on flattish/roller RR. Yes, I still got dropped, but there was a pretty solid field and extremely difficult course, and almost half the field was behind me, and this was the third week of a training block. So I'll take it!

    River Gorge TT P12 - 13/25 (5th Cat2)
    - Strava: http://www.strava.com/activities/77277515
    - I liked this course last year, so was hoping for a good ride. I only cut 4 seconds off my time from last year. Did 20w more average, and had carbon 50mm wheels vs 30mm wheels last year and had a better skinsuit compared to last year. So that was kind of a bummer. But I did do the RR earlier in the day (though I still hit the watts I wanted to hit). And I would have won the TT in the Cat3's if I was still a Cat3. And I missed out on Cat2 payout by only 10 seconds. So all in all a solid time trial.
    Saw your River Gourge Strava the other day...man that is some serious climbing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    Dude, niiiiice!!

    I didn't think anyone was gonna show up to cccx so I went out and did Vacaville instead.
    Definitely smaller-than-usual crowd. I probably overestimated the numbers in my fields, but it was hard to tell with the tunnel vision from the instant attacks in both races.

    Vacaville, CCCX, and that TT meant that only people who like CCCX went there. Small but strong fields and nowhere to hide. My kind of races.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creatre View Post
    Nice, solid result!
    Thanks. The P/1/2 field looked huge and looks like you had a great result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    Ronde Ohop?
    Yea. Small turn out, but it seemed like most of the people loved it. I, on the other hand, was hating life every time through the rocky single track section that made up 3/4's of every loop. At least I didn't flat so that's a positive

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    Huh. My Saturday result is in, too. 12th.

    When I win, I overestimate the number of guys behind me.

    When I lose, I totally overestimate the number of guys ahead of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creatre View Post
    River Gorge RR P12 - 42/~75
    - Strava: http://www.strava.com/activities/77277533
    - Did this race last year so sorta knew what to expect (though last year I was a 3, this year in the P12). Lots of climbing. Deceptive to think there are only two climbs in the race because of profile, but there is tons of climbing in between. Same as last year, where I popped on the middle climb (sand mtn). I was perfectly positioned in the top 5 hitting the climb. Hung for about 5 mins then popped off. I probably should have paced myself more rather than trying to hang with the leaders. Because I fell completely apart by the end and lost a lot of time in the last 2-3 mins of the climb. Got together with a good size group and we rode pretty hard to the final climb, while picking up lots of stragglers popping off the lead group on the rollers. Hit the final climb and finished probably like 5th from our little group. Super high HR and RPE for the watts I put down on that final climb, was definitely fatigued from the earlier climbing. Definitely a super painful race.

    Important part is this is a huge improvement over a month ago where I was getting shelled left and right on flattish/roller RR. Yes, I still got dropped, but there was a pretty solid field and extremely difficult course, and almost half the field was behind me, and this was the third week of a training block. So I'll take it!

    River Gorge TT P12 - 13/25 (5th Cat2)
    - Strava: http://www.strava.com/activities/77277515
    - I liked this course last year, so was hoping for a good ride. I only cut 4 seconds off my time from last year. Did 20w more average, and had carbon 50mm wheels vs 30mm wheels last year and had a better skinsuit compared to last year. So that was kind of a bummer. But I did do the RR earlier in the day (though I still hit the watts I wanted to hit). And I would have won the TT in the Cat3's if I was still a Cat3. And I missed out on Cat2 payout by only 10 seconds. So all in all a solid time trial.
    Great job in the road race, looked over the results yesterday, lots of horsepower in the p/1/2 field. The winner is a beast, if he were a few years younger someone would have have picked him up. Kid in second should be pro within the next year or so if I were to take a guess. Our boy in 3rd has had a huge year this year. Going down the list of finishers shows me some of the strongest riders in the south so you should be happy to see how far you have come in the last year. You were in elite company over the weekend for sure. Surprised that a couple of the guys in there didn't finish higher, keep up the good work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttusomeone View Post
    I'll follow-up Creatre's race report on River Gorge with one of my own. This was my first race as a Cat 3 so I had no idea how the race would compare to the Cat 4 RRs I've done all year. I wasn't overly concerned with getting dropped by the main group, but I really wanted to hang with the lead group over Sand Mountain. I made sure I was top 10 going into the climb and concentrated on hanging onto the guys wheel in front of me. When I would look back I could tell the field was exploding and I was very happy to make it to the top with a group of about 10 guys. We picked up two more from a break of three that formed early in the race and after the descent a couple more guys caught us, making our group about 15. There was one rider solo off the front and he kept putting time on us at every check. He ended up having a 2.5 minute lead going into the last climb. Someone told me later he was from Belgium and had been training there all summer. I did my share at the front as we made our way to the final climb. I was able to hang on until about half way up and shortly after that the rest of the group shattered. I couldn't catch the solo guy in front of me but I also had a big gap on the next guy behind me. I finished 11th overall (10th out of the main group). I was very happy with the result and gives me a lot of motivation going into the off season.
    Good job young fella, might as well debut in the 3s with a strong performance. Keep it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misterwaterfall View Post
    Yea. Small turn out, but it seemed like most of the people loved it. I, on the other hand, was hating life every time through the rocky single track section that made up 3/4's of every loop. At least I didn't flat so that's a positive
    Yeah, it's a weird/dumb race. And as has been discussed before, who knows why they even call it a "kermesse"..

    I guess they're trying to do some kind of cx cross-over but it's just stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    Huh. My Saturday result is in, too. 12th.

    When I win, I overestimate the number of guys behind me.

    When I lose, I totally overestimate the number of guys ahead of me.
    Didn't see a Winters report from you, how was the race?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    Didn't see a Winters report from you, how was the race?
    Unremarkable. I finished 12/65 in a bunch sprint on a narrow center-line-in-effect road. Bumping on both sides and no daylight for the entire last 1k.

    The hill was not enough to be selective. Each time we'd get a small selection of 10-15 guys, but only 10-15s (about a 3-minute hill really) and the massive pack would easily pull that back in on the flats. A few teams (squadra, davis, leopard, another 1 or 2) had 5+ guys, but instead of using their team to seed breaks they would all send a guy to the break to cover but not work to propogate it. So a break of 5 became a break of 10 with 5 guys sitting in and just murdering any chance of the break staying away.

    Third lap we finally went hard for the duration of the rollers/climb and had about 15 guys with 30 seconds, but we got held up going around a police car on a blind corner who was stopped where someone had face planted. Cop almost killed us and we lost our mojo.

    I tried with 2 miles to go. Got a gap of about 20 seconds, but when I was caught it wasn't a small group, it was the whole field strung out single-file.

    Overall, pretty damn lame for what could be a fun race. The sourness made Sunday taste even sweeter, I guess.

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    Came in 15th overall, 4th 30-39 in the Race to the top of Vermont mountain bike hill climb (4.3 miles @ 11.5% or so, best time around 33, mine 41:45). I was bummed I missed top 3 in the 30-39 for the first time all year. Others were road climbs, and I think not riding my mountain bike all year is what did me in. have fun prizes too, some sweet pottery mugs with your place on them. Next year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    Unremarkable. I finished 12/65 in a bunch sprint on a narrow center-line-in-effect road. Bumping on both sides and no daylight for the entire last 1k.

    The hill was not enough to be selective. Each time we'd get a small selection of 10-15 guys, but only 10-15s (about a 3-minute hill really) and the massive pack would easily pull that back in on the flats. A few teams (squadra, davis, leopard, another 1 or 2) had 5+ guys, but instead of using their team to seed breaks they would all send a guy to the break to cover but not work to propogate it. So a break of 5 became a break of 10 with 5 guys sitting in and just murdering any chance of the break staying away.

    Third lap we finally went hard for the duration of the rollers/climb and had about 15 guys with 30 seconds, but we got held up going around a police car on a blind corner who was stopped where someone had face planted. Cop almost killed us and we lost our mojo.

    I tried with 2 miles to go. Got a gap of about 20 seconds, but when I was caught it wasn't a small group, it was the whole field strung out single-file.

    Overall, pretty damn lame for what could be a fun race. The sourness made Sunday taste even sweeter, I guess.
    1) that's why i didnt do that race
    2) congrats on cccx. i would have been in that 3/4 race, but i was hungover in the morning and it wasnt going to happen. my race was a 15mph detox ride on the guadalupe rive mup to alviso on my steel beater with DT shifters after eating a giant omelet

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    I was just disappointed mainly that the teams seemed to want to slow it down rather than do anything fun, tactically.

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    Winters: Go over the hill in the lead, go down the hill fast enough to make people crash or sheet their pants, then TT to the finish. Worked for me. But that was a while ago

    On Saturday I drank a bunch, ate a bunch, had a nice family fight, barely slept. Did a TT Sunday. I did not get a Caddy. I did not get fired. The guy who beat me is peaking for nationals. I'm valleying, which is the new term I've coined for when you stopped giving a sheet weeks ago. Got a nice beer mug. Ridley got a medal and dogs are colorblind so the gold v. silver issue is moot.
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    Great reports, everyone! Congrats Ygduf!
    Attack in the feeling because it says I'll win absolutely.

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    Holy smokes! I just lookes at the Winters results (cat 5) - 18th out of 34. Got dropped so bad in BOTH laps, but apparently 16 guys got dropped worse than me. Haha 18th place makes me happy - I seriously thought I was last place.

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    Holy smokes! I just lookes at the Winters results (cat 5) - 18th out of 34. Got dropped so bad in BOTH laps, but apparently 16 guys got dropped worse than me. Haha 18th place makes me happy - I seriously thought I was last place.
    That is a good feeling, congrats on finishing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    Winters: Go over the hill in the lead, go down the hill fast enough to make people crash or sheet their pants, then TT to the finish. Worked for me. But that was a while ago

    On Saturday I drank a bunch, ate a bunch, had a nice family fight, barely slept. Did a TT Sunday. I did not get a Caddy. I did not get fired. The guy who beat me is peaking for nationals. I'm valleying, which is the new term I've coined for when you stopped giving a sheet weeks ago. Got a nice beer mug. Ridley got a medal and dogs are colorblind so the gold v. silver issue is moot.
    Plus, now you have proper utensils for cutting Ridley's steak, without having to wash your old ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    That is a good feeling, congrats on finishing.
    +1 would have been easy to drop out on lap 1 -- good fight to go to the finish.

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