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    Great job. I remember when you soloed to your first C race win at Wells Ave. You thought you were Mr. Big *****.

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    Heh, yeah. The one thing I am trying to consistently tell myself is not to get cocky because I know there is gonna be a point where I hit a wall where doing that does not work anymore and I would rather be ready to hit that wall then have it come crashing down on me like a ton of bricks.

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    dnuzzo - fantastic, congratulations!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    Good job, didn't know they started last night. Good to see the same old group, some good horsepower in there. What happened to my boy?
    I'm not sure. Maybe he was tired?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnuzzomueller View Post
    Heh, yeah. The one thing I am trying to consistently tell myself is not to get cocky because I know there is gonna be a point where I hit a wall where doing that does not work anymore and I would rather be ready to hit that wall then have it come crashing down on me like a ton of bricks.
    congrats, you'll probably do well in the 3s. the jump isn't as big as most people think. what're your next races? i'll probably see you around.
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    I am targeting longsjo classic next. Other then that Purgatory and maybe a few other races other then Wells Ave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnuzzomueller View Post
    I am targeting longsjo classic next. Other then that Purgatory and maybe a few other races other then Wells Ave.
    congrats on the win and the upgrade! might be joining you in the 3s at purgatory. still deciding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by climber7 View Post
    congrats on the win and the upgrade! might be joining you in the 3s at purgatory. still deciding.
    Congrats! I'm around Wells and will be at Purgatory myself as a 5- I'll have to watch and learn.

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    Watch out for the old guys in the P/1/2/3. You might be in for a thrashing.

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    I learned early that old dudes in upper categories are scary.

    If any of you see me out there I ride a "white/red/carbon" Venge (Essentially a black and red non-s-works) and ride in a similar black and white kit with a large red "CB" on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnuzzomueller View Post
    I am targeting longsjo classic next. Other then that Purgatory and maybe a few other races other then Wells Ave.
    see you at both those races
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    Quote Originally Posted by climber7 View Post
    congrats on the win and the upgrade! might be joining you in the 3s at purgatory. still deciding.
    Do it.
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    Driveway 4/5 Speed Loop last night. After my last experience on this course a few weeks ago (boring!) a friend and I planned a move. We broke free with 2.5 laps to go and built up to a 150m-ish gap (guess). Stayed away for a little more than a lap. Of course there was a counter attack as we were caught right before the start of the last lap. We reintegrated back into the peloton but couldn't work our way into the to top 20 by the finish. Very happy we gave it a run rather than sitting in for an otherwise usually non-eventful race. Better to have tried and failed, right? I had a blast in our break but my legs hated me.

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    Nice work throwing down some aggression. Off the front or off the back isn't a bad way to go. You're right, it's a LOT more fun.

    If it's close to the end of the race, try to consider that the point of the catch is as important as the last 200m -- give everything you have to re-integrate into the top 10. You can console your legs later. You probably worked that hard just trying to move back up anyway. This also gives you better value for your attack effort, as the guys you're re-integrating with are a bit gassed from the chase, so you're ahead of all the fresh legs in the back who think they're about to magically transform into Cavendish.

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    Congrats dnuzz! Good luck in the 3's.

    Question for everyone: How many races do you average per year? And how many of those are actually important ones?

    Here in Ontario the only races I've really got are 6 one day's and a 3 day stage race, all of them important. Aside from that my team just started a racing series at a speedway we got a hold of which is fun but obviously not important
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    every race is important. especially if you're new. you should be learning something each time you pin a number. race as much as you can.
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    I agree with Mikey.

    It doesn't mean that you have to try to win every race, it means that you should go out there with a plan or a test or something. When I'm not fit I go out to hang on, to test where I'm at (usually by checking the downloaded data after the ride), and to try and make a contribution to the race (help a teammate/friend etc). When I'm fit I tend to be more active, I experiment with tactics (like I go off the front or lead out or other nonsense), and yet I almost never finish the races with the bunch. I usually do these kinds of things in midweek training races and weekend races where the course and my riding style/profile don't match.

    In races where I want a result, usually one of a few races on certain types of courses, my "placing" goal means I ride very differently. Super conservative, huge moves if I think I need to make them, and otherwise wait for a sprint (since that gives me the best chance for a good result).

    Every race also gets you a bit more used to the whole process, driving to a race, getting ready, not forgetting the floor pump at home, etc. You learn to deal with an assortment of situations. The Missus commented to me about my gear bag and just how heavy it was. "You have a spare saddle, a couple sets of cleats, and so many tools... the bag weighs like 50 lbs!" I learned the hard way about not having spares, and in fact just learned again last Sunday (I decided not to bring a second bike because it was raining pretty hard and I broke a seatpost bolt a couple laps into the race).

    When you do 30-50 races a year it becomes pretty straightforward. I still get the adrenaline bump when I get to a race - my HR rarely drops below 100 bpm even when sitting in the car - but it's not the frantic adrenaline rush, it's more mellow, more under control. I don't like frantic, I don't like rushing, and I used to feel like that for every race.

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    True, but I meant it in the way of importance to actual meaning such as certain 'training' weekday races as mentioned above compared to others that decide whether you're going to nationals or not. I do have a plan for the team racing series, coach just told me Wednesday to use them to practise positioning and staying at the front, something I struggle with in actual races. I seem to do well in training races but in actual racing I'm terrible, it could be the fact that I have nothing to lose in training or that they're much, much shorter races but whatever it is my coach told me that I have the ability to hang with them, just lack the experience. It just ticks me off how I can't do crap in a race when there's a kid a year younger than me who won battenkill and constantly has incredible results. Waiting (experience) is worse than the actual training itself.

    As for spares I have the basics and even wheels but I rarely even need them because I only hang on to the group for a little while, I need a lot more practise just finishing with the pack before anything else right now.. I like the fact that you even get 30-50 races per year, I've got 6 and a stage race. There's a weekday series also but it's far on travel and very tough to make it, plus I don't even think more than 10 people go.
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    Nice. I was wondering how the TT equipment question ended up working out for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sstang13 View Post
    True, but I meant it in the way of importance to actual meaning such as certain 'training' weekday races as mentioned above compared to others that decide whether you're going to nationals or not. I do have a plan for the team racing series, coach just told me Wednesday to use them to practise positioning and staying at the front, something I struggle with in actual races. I seem to do well in training races but in actual racing I'm terrible, it could be the fact that I have nothing to lose in training or that they're much, much shorter races but whatever it is my coach told me that I have the ability to hang with them, just lack the experience. It just ticks me off how I can't do crap in a race when there's a kid a year younger than me who won battenkill and constantly has incredible results. Waiting (experience) is worse than the actual training itself.

    As for spares I have the basics and even wheels but I rarely even need them because I only hang on to the group for a little while, I need a lot more practise just finishing with the pack before anything else right now.. I like the fact that you even get 30-50 races per year, I've got 6 and a stage race. There's a weekday series also but it's far on travel and very tough to make it, plus I don't even think more than 10 people go.
    If the races are a bit easy physiologically then stress your system before you race. In an extreme case I rode 5 hours to a summer weekday race (held at Bethel, where I do the spring series). I needed to pick up the van I left there so I rode there and planned on simply driving back. The promoter teased me into doing the B race (normally Cat 4-5). I'd bonked on the way down, was cramping severely, and was in no shape to "really" race. That B race was one of the hardest races I did because I was at my absolute limit the whole time. I had to really pay attention, not just to making sure I stayed in shelter but also because I was in a group of much less experienced racers than normal. To be fair to the others I pulled for much of the final lap and then sat up before the uphill sprint. In fact I think I had to stop before I could continue up the hill.

    The Tues Night races I attend near my house have similar stories. A bunch of the strong guys will ride to the race, race, and ride back.

    Nothing like some artificially induced weakness to force you to seek shelter. Even blocking out gears could help you gain perspective, like when I couldn't shift into the 53 (cable issue) so I had to race the second half of a flat crit with just a 39T ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by island rider View Post
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    I forgot to update the fricken results. Crap. Two people emailed me recently. Thanks for reminding me.

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    Tour De Frankenmuth (MI), Cat 5 road race, 2 laps/32 miles total.

    Aside from cold temperatures this morning, it was a perfect day for racing. Good course, excellent pavement, minimal wind, etc. We had a full field of 50 in the Cat 5s this morning. My plan was to find a wheel that looked strong and smooth, and stay on it the whole race. Six miles in and things were going perfectly. I'd done absolutely no work, my HR was like it was a casual coffee ride, and my legs felt plenty strong. Confident that I would have my best ever finish.

    And then disaster. A couple of riders two wheels in front of me got too close, panicked and went down. I was very close to clearing the wreckage when somebody else went down and took out my front wheel. Minimal damage to my body, but my bars got torqued out of alignment, RD hanger was bent, and the front wheel was knocked out of true. Race over. I was pretty upset because I've never felt that good during a race.

    All things considered though, it could have been much worse. Heard rumors that one of the guys who went down ended up with a broken collarbone, and the guy who took me out had snapped his seat and chain stays clean in half. My bike and I live to race another day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike868y View Post
    every race is important. especially if you're new. you should be learning something each time you pin a number. race as much as you can.
    On a good whim this past week, I registered for the Cyclonauts Racer's Criterium which was held today at Stafford Spring Motor Speedway in Connecticut. Cat 4 and 5 were combined in a rainy, 45 degree romp. This was my 4th race, and yeah definitely learning new things each time. This was the first time I:
    -brought the trainer and floor pump
    -had a decent 25 minute warm up on the trainer
    -arrived with plenty of time and felt fairly relaxed
    -raced in the rain

    At first I got dropped by the group as I have this habit of starting in the back of the group and not being ready for the initial surge. My legs didn't feel awake at first despite the quick warmup as this past week was kind of a R&R week. The initial surge came on the front stretch into a gnarly headwind. I didn't really understand how to take a free lap so I spent the next 5-10 laps working on my own in the wind until the group finally lapped me and I assimilated in. From that point, I was feeling successful with my ability to be smooth, anticipating group movement, making moves up, and being mindful of my cornering technique. With 5 to go, I was second with a small gap behind me, and I launched an attack into the headwind stretch. I made good on that for 2 laps, but the wind was just too much to for one person. I rolled with the group until the end where everyone who still had energy left made their last sprints to the line as I sat up and rolled in.

    Leaving each race wanting more.

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    You can't take a free lap if you get dropped.

    Read the rulebook.

    If you get lapped and the officials are nice enough to let you stay in, don't pull a stunt like that. Stay in the field, don't go with any breaks, just roll over the line at the end.

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    Tour de Frankenmuth this morning. Cat 5 road race. 32 miles.

    Second ever road race. Got to the start line late and was dead last. Easy rollout. First corner. Had to sprint after to catch up. Dealt with the rubber banding effect at the back all race long. Had trouble moving up. 50 riders on narrow road with narrow lanes. So congested. There were either not very many opportunities to move up...or my lack of experience made me unaware of the opportunities that were there. I tried just blasting past people out of frustration once...passed a dozen or more riders. But I was out in the wind all by myself. Felt my strength start to wane, so I let riders pass until I could squeeze in behind a wheel...probably only 2 places above where i started. Fail.

    Four major wrecks in the cat 5 race. I was bonkers. All of them happened no more than 6 bikes in front of me. Avoided them all...two of them only just barely. One of them, I locked up my wheels and was skidding towards them but skidded just by one of the falling bikes. And avoided tipping over while my bike fishtailed for a sec.

    Coming around the last corner before a short straight to the finish, I was at the back of the lead group again. In that corner, another crash that took out at least one other rider. Myself and a couple others were slowed through the corner as a result and the group up front lost us. So I wasn't part of the final sprint. Out sprinted all but one rider near me in a half hearted seated sprint effort.

    19th out of 50. All in all, a resounding success as I avoided crashing. Aside from the four crashes in my cat 5 race, we heard about all sorts of crashes in a bunch of the other races. And one of the higher cats going by while I was chatting with friends had a major bike flipping, human flying wreck. Just nuts. I think the course was just too crowded and certain sections too fast.

    Full, overly long blog post here: http://www.slowvelo.com/2013/05/tour...-is-crazy.html

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