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Driveway Speed Loop, 3/4
I sat in until 3 laps to go then rolled off. Snake slithering across the road and striking at the guy in front of me was pretty scary.
Driveway Speed Loop, 4/5
I learned that you don't get a free lap if you get something in your eye. Oh well... I could continue but couldn't win so I tried to help my buddy get a good result. I think he got 8th-ish.
NO WRECKS TONIGHT!!
I sat in until 3 laps to go then rolled off. Snake slithering across the road and striking at the guy in front of me was pretty scary.
Driveway Speed Loop, 4/5
I learned that you don't get a free lap if you get something in your eye. Oh well... I could continue but couldn't win so I tried to help my buddy get a good result. I think he got 8th-ish.
NO WRECKS TONIGHT!!
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Driveway Speed Loop, 3/4
I sat in until 3 laps to go then rolled off. Snake slithering across the road and striking at the guy in front of me was pretty scary.
Driveway Speed Loop, 4/5
I learned that you don't get a free lap if you get something in your eye. Oh well... I could continue but couldn't win so I tried to help my buddy get a good result. I think he got 8th-ish.
NO WRECKS TONIGHT!!
I sat in until 3 laps to go then rolled off. Snake slithering across the road and striking at the guy in front of me was pretty scary.
Driveway Speed Loop, 4/5
I learned that you don't get a free lap if you get something in your eye. Oh well... I could continue but couldn't win so I tried to help my buddy get a good result. I think he got 8th-ish.
NO WRECKS TONIGHT!!
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During a practice race last week at a motorsports track in NOLA, one of the guys stopped to flick a snake off the track with front wheel. It just pissed the snake off, and the snake came after him, but due to the smoothness of the track it couldn't move that fast.
On group rides south of Lake Charles (southwest Louisiana), "Gator up!" is a common call. A guy I worked with in NOLA totaled his XJ6 when he nailed a ten-footer on I-10 at 80 mph in the dark on his way in to work.
One gets used to it down here.
On group rides south of Lake Charles (southwest Louisiana), "Gator up!" is a common call. A guy I worked with in NOLA totaled his XJ6 when he nailed a ten-footer on I-10 at 80 mph in the dark on his way in to work.
One gets used to it down here.
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I just raced this morning (Sunshine Hill Climb 35+ CAT4) and mostly I am looking for some advice and consoling. Serious confession following...
My training has recently switched and I plan to stick with this through the fall if not longer:
2 weeks build, one week “rest” which is intensity but much lower volume. I am following a plan that I saw rkwaki post some time ago:
Monday:easy day
Tuesday: short intervals (3 minutes, tabatas, sprints, etc.)
Wednesday: longer ride tempoish
Thursday: longer intervals (ZCIs, 2x20 at the longest, I will add in a practice crit when I get back home)
Friday: no bike day
Saturday/Sunday: race/hard group ride/long ride with surging/mimic a road race
*I cut out all running that I used to do, which wasn’t much but I still swim just a little like 15 minutes per day to keep some upper body strength. Core work a few times a week.
If numbers matter: 5’11” 160 lbs now, was down to 152 in early season. FTP ~290W which is down a little. My 90 minute PR back in early season was 290W but I have lost some.
This plan is a big change from the spring in that I am focusing a lot more on shorter intervals. I used to do 2x20s at the shortest and loved 90 minutes pushing close to threshold up mtns. I like long rides and it is hard for me to cut back on the time.
Today: I was worried that my legs might feel flat after a rest week and I didn’t ride yesterday at all. That is what happened. I guess I might switch my Monday and Friday schedule?
Basically, I was watching my power meter and in the first five minutes, the group was above my threshold and I just couldn’t get “going.” My legs weren’t burning but I almost felt like just turning around. None the less, I was dropped off the main group knowing that I would not be able to hold that power. The thing is that 6 days ago I did intervals on the course and was feeling so much stronger. I couldn’t get it up! (rkwaki that is for you) My power that is...
I didn’t finish last but I was way off the main group. In some ways I think this was a good race in that I get so hyped for a race, to the point of adrenaline flowing hours before, jittery at the start, and then I can’t bring it. I think I need to stop taking it so seriously but that is hard for me in anything I do.
Questions:
1. I am at near the one year mark in training. Just a lowly Cat4. Is my training at least close to what it should be? I get 10 hours min. and during base season, I was close to 20. I think I must be doing something wrong with all these hours not paying off. I did feel like I peaked in early spring though. (Too early yes but our race season in AZ starts in January and ends in April basically)
2. What can I do to reduce the jitters?
3. I can train harder than I can race. I am not talking about the surging of crits but today was pretty much a TT climb and my numbers were way lower than what I train. How do I reverse this?
I really appreciate the advice I have gotten here already. Thank you all. I am more than willing to work and suffer!
My training has recently switched and I plan to stick with this through the fall if not longer:
2 weeks build, one week “rest” which is intensity but much lower volume. I am following a plan that I saw rkwaki post some time ago:
Monday:easy day
Tuesday: short intervals (3 minutes, tabatas, sprints, etc.)
Wednesday: longer ride tempoish
Thursday: longer intervals (ZCIs, 2x20 at the longest, I will add in a practice crit when I get back home)
Friday: no bike day
Saturday/Sunday: race/hard group ride/long ride with surging/mimic a road race
*I cut out all running that I used to do, which wasn’t much but I still swim just a little like 15 minutes per day to keep some upper body strength. Core work a few times a week.
If numbers matter: 5’11” 160 lbs now, was down to 152 in early season. FTP ~290W which is down a little. My 90 minute PR back in early season was 290W but I have lost some.
This plan is a big change from the spring in that I am focusing a lot more on shorter intervals. I used to do 2x20s at the shortest and loved 90 minutes pushing close to threshold up mtns. I like long rides and it is hard for me to cut back on the time.
Today: I was worried that my legs might feel flat after a rest week and I didn’t ride yesterday at all. That is what happened. I guess I might switch my Monday and Friday schedule?
Basically, I was watching my power meter and in the first five minutes, the group was above my threshold and I just couldn’t get “going.” My legs weren’t burning but I almost felt like just turning around. None the less, I was dropped off the main group knowing that I would not be able to hold that power. The thing is that 6 days ago I did intervals on the course and was feeling so much stronger. I couldn’t get it up! (rkwaki that is for you) My power that is...
I didn’t finish last but I was way off the main group. In some ways I think this was a good race in that I get so hyped for a race, to the point of adrenaline flowing hours before, jittery at the start, and then I can’t bring it. I think I need to stop taking it so seriously but that is hard for me in anything I do.
Questions:
1. I am at near the one year mark in training. Just a lowly Cat4. Is my training at least close to what it should be? I get 10 hours min. and during base season, I was close to 20. I think I must be doing something wrong with all these hours not paying off. I did feel like I peaked in early spring though. (Too early yes but our race season in AZ starts in January and ends in April basically)
2. What can I do to reduce the jitters?
3. I can train harder than I can race. I am not talking about the surging of crits but today was pretty much a TT climb and my numbers were way lower than what I train. How do I reverse this?
I really appreciate the advice I have gotten here already. Thank you all. I am more than willing to work and suffer!
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Rob, I did Sunshine/SW4. Can I just say "ditto" - my race went the same way. First 20 minutes averaged 107% of LT, then I was dropped and suffered alone, and all I could manage was high tempo watts. Man that sucked.
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robabeatle - my quick 2 cents: day off before a race is definitely not ideal, and i'm not surprised at the result. what you're describing is what people mean when they say they felt blocked. i bet if you go out and ride tomorrow, you'll feel much better. you should ride the day before a race if possible, and you should throw in a few openers - short, hard efforts that aren't intense enough to count as a workout and make you tired but will get your legs ready for the race. i usually do something like 3x3' a little over threshold, with maybe 5' rest. or you could do some shorter, harder sprint-type efforts (not max, though). i'm finding that even that isn't always enough. at killington the past two years, i've felt really crappy the first day (after an easy week) and really good the second day.
edit: that applies for a rest week. if you're using the plan you outlined above and doing intervals on thursday, you probably don't need the openers (or just do a couple), but you should still ride on friday.
edit: that applies for a rest week. if you're using the plan you outlined above and doing intervals on thursday, you probably don't need the openers (or just do a couple), but you should still ride on friday.
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Dang, lady, that describes my road race this morning as well. Is there some kind of virus going around?
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Thanks. Openers: thanks for that. I know about the idea, I guess this was the first time trying to race without being on the bike the day before at all. Learning...
I ended up 16/30. 7 minutes off of first. There was a large group finishing just in front of me. I think with a little more I could have been top ten at least.
valygrl: nice to read of another BFer out there today. I tried to sign up for the North Boulder Crit two days ago but registration was listed as closed but it wasn’t supposed to close until yesterday at 6 pm?? I am going in the morning to see if I can get in there still. Are you planning to race it?
I ended up 16/30. 7 minutes off of first. There was a large group finishing just in front of me. I think with a little more I could have been top ten at least.
valygrl: nice to read of another BFer out there today. I tried to sign up for the North Boulder Crit two days ago but registration was listed as closed but it wasn’t supposed to close until yesterday at 6 pm?? I am going in the morning to see if I can get in there still. Are you planning to race it?
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robabeatle - my quick 2 cents: day off before a race is definitely not ideal, and i'm not surprised at the result. what you're describing is what people mean when they say they felt blocked. i bet if you go out and ride tomorrow, you'll feel much better. you should ride the day before a race if possible, and you should throw in a few openers - short, hard efforts that aren't intense enough to count as a workout and make you tired but will get your legs ready for the race. i usually do something like 3x3' a little over threshold, with maybe 5' rest. or you could do some shorter, harder sprint-type efforts (not max, though). i'm finding that even that isn't always enough. at killington the past two years, i've felt really crappy the first day (after an easy week) and really good the second day.
edit: that applies for a rest week. if you're using the plan you outlined above and doing intervals on thursday, you probably don't need the openers (or just do a couple), but you should still ride on friday.
edit: that applies for a rest week. if you're using the plan you outlined above and doing intervals on thursday, you probably don't need the openers (or just do a couple), but you should still ride on friday.
1. I am at near the one year mark in training. Just a lowly Cat4. Is my training at least close to what it should be? I get 10 hours min. and during base season, I was close to 20. I think I must be doing something wrong with all these hours not paying off. I did feel like I peaked in early spring though. (Too early yes but our race season in AZ starts in January and ends in April basically)
2. What can I do to reduce the jitters?
3. I can train harder than I can race. I am not talking about the surging of crits but today was pretty much a TT climb and my numbers were way lower than what I train. How do I reverse this?
I really appreciate the advice I have gotten here already. Thank you all. I am more than willing to work and suffer!
2. Race more. That's the only way you get comfortable. Read CDR's post about the sphere and think about getting comfortable.
3. Openers as suggested above, don't burn yourself before the race. If you feel like you want to take a break, do so.
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Thanks echappist.
1. Cut tempo: boooo!!! I know, I know. I need to do this and remember reading jsut stating that he rides Z2 to intervals and then Z2 after. I will focus on this.
2. I have read so much of CDR (more than once often) and he not only articulates tactics so well, his tone is just encouraging and I feel pumped after seeing his videos.
3. Openers!!!! Will do. I got up early and warmed up a good 1.5 hours prior to the race: Z1 for 25 min, then a few intervals at Z4, then Z1, then Z2, then a few more at Z4/Z5 for a total of an hour or so. I thought this would open up the legs but I guess not.
1. Cut tempo: boooo!!! I know, I know. I need to do this and remember reading jsut stating that he rides Z2 to intervals and then Z2 after. I will focus on this.
2. I have read so much of CDR (more than once often) and he not only articulates tactics so well, his tone is just encouraging and I feel pumped after seeing his videos.
3. Openers!!!! Will do. I got up early and warmed up a good 1.5 hours prior to the race: Z1 for 25 min, then a few intervals at Z4, then Z1, then Z2, then a few more at Z4/Z5 for a total of an hour or so. I thought this would open up the legs but I guess not.
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No I'm not racing it, I'll watch the SW4's race and then ride to Ward with a friend. The flyer says there is day-of registration.... I guess there is still a .00001% chance I'll race it, but I crashed in it last year and don't really feel the need to push myself there mentally.
I'm feeling kind of low about my racing right now - last year I had all this first-year-bliss, happy to be int the top-3rd, and now I'm doing, like, the same wattage, with similar/poorer results, and wondering what I'm doing wrong in my training or is it just stiffer competition, or did I just have a bad day, or.... or... or.... weah.
I'm feeling kind of low about my racing right now - last year I had all this first-year-bliss, happy to be int the top-3rd, and now I'm doing, like, the same wattage, with similar/poorer results, and wondering what I'm doing wrong in my training or is it just stiffer competition, or did I just have a bad day, or.... or... or.... weah.
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I’m sorry to hear that valygrl. I hope to get in there if the field is not filled. I am riding afterwards (or instead) and I really enjoy lefthand canyon up to Ward. Frankly, I am totally in love with Boulder right now with the climbs, rollers, and amount of cyclists.
I understand the bliss. I feel like I work so darn hard and then in a race I wonder how can so many people be so strong. Caloso really got it right when he said it takes a butt load of hard work to just be mediocre.
If you see a racer in an O2 kit, say hi!
I understand the bliss. I feel like I work so darn hard and then in a race I wonder how can so many people be so strong. Caloso really got it right when he said it takes a butt load of hard work to just be mediocre.
If you see a racer in an O2 kit, say hi!
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Raced the 50+ state crit championships today. With 0 training, and a few trainer hours for the year I thought I might get dropped. But I hung in, managed to sort of move up at the end and finished mid-pack. Success, although not the type of result I am used to.
Perhaps I will start training and dial it up to 200 watts on the trainer twice a week and try again in a few weeks ...... or not.
Teammate got silver in the 40+ after a solid 2-man break.
Perhaps I will start training and dial it up to 200 watts on the trainer twice a week and try again in a few weeks ...... or not.
Teammate got silver in the 40+ after a solid 2-man break.
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Openers: 2x FTP and 60TSS max.
20 hours is a lot. I bet you have some cumulative stress buildup from that. Think about a week off.
20 hours is a lot. I bet you have some cumulative stress buildup from that. Think about a week off.
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Thanks echappist.
1. Cut tempo: boooo!!! I know, I know. I need to do this and remember reading jsut stating that he rides Z2 to intervals and then Z2 after. I will focus on this.
2. I have read so much of CDR (more than once often) and he not only articulates tactics so well, his tone is just encouraging and I feel pumped after seeing his videos.
3. Openers!!!! Will do. I got up early and warmed up a good 1.5 hours prior to the race: Z1 for 25 min, then a few intervals at Z4, then Z1, then Z2, then a few more at Z4/Z5 for a total of an hour or so. I thought this would open up the legs but I guess not.
1. Cut tempo: boooo!!! I know, I know. I need to do this and remember reading jsut stating that he rides Z2 to intervals and then Z2 after. I will focus on this.
2. I have read so much of CDR (more than once often) and he not only articulates tactics so well, his tone is just encouraging and I feel pumped after seeing his videos.
3. Openers!!!! Will do. I got up early and warmed up a good 1.5 hours prior to the race: Z1 for 25 min, then a few intervals at Z4, then Z1, then Z2, then a few more at Z4/Z5 for a total of an hour or so. I thought this would open up the legs but I guess not.
3. openers look like this for me: 20 minutes of low z1 (think 100-150 watts at 360 ftp), then i do one big jump in my 53/15 (max gear to work on high cadence), one 5 minute ftp effort (sometimes i stay at 330-350 instead of 360 if i'm a bit tired), 2-3 more sprints (one of which is a small ring huge cadence effort). By the time i get home i'm an hour to 2 hour (max) into the ride and im feeling antsy and ready to go.
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Thanks a bunch jsut. I’m surprised at only 10% in Z4+. I do notice that I tend to liven up after a solid hour or even two into a hammerfest when others are fading.
Shovelhd: I do think that after training in the fall at ~20 hours per week I was bound to crash. Hard to stop though when I was getting stronger each week. My hours dropped a lot in the spring though as I was getting sick, not just from possibly too much training but a lot of life stress. So I am really working on taking it easy on those days/rest weeks. Thank you.
Shovelhd: I do think that after training in the fall at ~20 hours per week I was bound to crash. Hard to stop though when I was getting stronger each week. My hours dropped a lot in the spring though as I was getting sick, not just from possibly too much training but a lot of life stress. So I am really working on taking it easy on those days/rest weeks. Thank you.
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let me go look up my actual percents from last week.... 7.9%
I'm in more of a base phase right now because my short term is perfect, my long term sucks. But really, you can only do two real z4+ workouts a week if you also race. so max you get like an hour of z6/z7, 30 minutes of z5 and maybe 15 minutes of z4 (i've never had a large chuck of time in z4 during a race, even while otf for the entire race, i end up doing a lot of z1 and z5).
I'm in more of a base phase right now because my short term is perfect, my long term sucks. But really, you can only do two real z4+ workouts a week if you also race. so max you get like an hour of z6/z7, 30 minutes of z5 and maybe 15 minutes of z4 (i've never had a large chuck of time in z4 during a race, even while otf for the entire race, i end up doing a lot of z1 and z5).
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i'm at 12% this week. I had 2x18-19 minute time trials the other day so my z4 number is much higher than usual. I like training above z4 more than training z4.
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Great, that gives me some numbers to look at and compare. An hour of Z6/Z7, wow, I have my work cut out for me.
Cheers.
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