The 2013 Race Results Thread
03-11-13, 09:34 AM
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3/10 Ris Van Bethel cat 4
bridged up to a break early in the race, spent a few laps away but never got more than 10 sec. won a prime. I attacked later in the race but again only stayed away a couple of laps. All back together for the finish (well, one guy was OTF but he was caught near bottom of the hill), I was in good position and I had a little left but squandered it - teammate was on my wheel waiting/hoping for a leadout but I didn't know it. That won't happen again..
Another fun day @ Bethel. Thanks Aki, especially for the added work of clearing all the snow the day before.
bridged up to a break early in the race, spent a few laps away but never got more than 10 sec. won a prime. I attacked later in the race but again only stayed away a couple of laps. All back together for the finish (well, one guy was OTF but he was caught near bottom of the hill), I was in good position and I had a little left but squandered it - teammate was on my wheel waiting/hoping for a leadout but I didn't know it. That won't happen again..
Another fun day @ Bethel. Thanks Aki, especially for the added work of clearing all the snow the day before.
03-11-13, 09:51 AM
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Slynkie, I marshalled your race at the bottom if the hill so I was a me to watch the whole thing. That was a nice move for the break and a nice prime sprint. I felt bad for the guy OTF. He kept looking back. I kept telling him not to. You make a move like that you gotta commit.
03-11-13, 09:53 AM
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Slynkie, I marshalled your race at the bottom if the hill so I was a me to watch the whole thing. That was a nice move for the break and a nice prime sprint. I felt bad for the guy OTF. He kept looking back. I kept telling him not to. You make a move like that you gotta commit.
03-11-13, 09:57 AM
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thanks, but more importantly - thank you for marshaling!!
the prime was a bit weird - I was otf with the Pawling guy (who ended up winning the race, kudos to him!) and I thought we'd just roll through it, to keep our break going. I was pacing us up the hill but then I saw him jump out a bit and start to go for it, and my ego took over. Another lesson in there, I suppose.
Then again, it was a cash prime, so...wooo
the prime was a bit weird - I was otf with the Pawling guy (who ended up winning the race, kudos to him!) and I thought we'd just roll through it, to keep our break going. I was pacing us up the hill but then I saw him jump out a bit and start to go for it, and my ego took over. Another lesson in there, I suppose.
Then again, it was a cash prime, so...wooo
03-11-13, 10:30 AM
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03-11-13, 12:18 PM
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Overall I felt better about this race, how it went, much better.
03-11-13, 12:23 PM
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I was in the afternoon Cat3 race, but I had a few teammates/friends in the 5s races. Including one guy (evens) who got DQ'd in his "was going to be my last Cat5 race" for accidentally crossing the yellow line to avoid contact. Or at least that's how he tells it.
03-11-13, 12:31 PM
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03-11-13, 12:43 PM
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funny story, sort of. The official said 'I'm ringing the bell for four primes. And I'm not talking because I don't want to lose my voice.'
fair enough
race starts. a few laps in bell rings. I'm near the front so I sprint. pick up an easy $20.
a lap or so later another prime.
and so on.
it isn't long until it's obvious there an issue.
so apparently a woman standing next to the tent was ringing a bell. according to my wife the official went up to her and said
'you need to stop ringing that, they think there are primes'
I'm just cheering on my husband
you have to stop. they're too stupid to know the difference.
I kinda wanted to go up to her and point out the guys in the field who had bigger better degrees, jobs, houses, industries better than her. Like that one guy who invented the GPS chip in your cell phone.
What is it with NE officials that make them such insufferable ********?
03-11-13, 01:45 PM
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217w normalized and 185w average here was only good for 18th in the Red Kite crit in the 5's for me. Your videos are great btw, love the commentary.Anyway, raced Red Kite on Sunday in the E5's. Super sketchy race with 3 crashes, and 2 almost crashes. Average speed was 24.6 but it felt a lot slower, everyone kept slowing down and fanning out on the finishing straight for some reason. I wasn't aggressive enough with my positioning, possibly because we were taking the corners 4-5 wide (and really slow for some reason). I tapered a bit for this race so I should have put in some harder digs and maybe made some moves with teammates, but this is only my 5th race and I've been staying on the conservative side for fear of burning out.
I misheard the 2 laps to go as 3 laps to go, and planned on moving to a better position in what I thought would be the 2nd to last lap. They cut our race down to 25 minutes from 30 for some reason, so maybe that's why I was confused
Then I heard the bell. I tried to move up a bit anyway but everyone started pushing a bit harder near the end of course. Then in the sweeper leading up to the finish line two guys crashed in front of me, so I had to swerve around a bit and made an effort to the end. I was too far back so I didn't bother sprinting, finished mid pack in 18th.Next time I need to place myself no further back than 5th wheel around the last "real" corner. I didn't realize that the sweeper doesn't count and getting around people would be hard by that point. Also I'll have to get my ears cleaned out. Kind of bummed out because I took the week easy to get my TSB up for this race and ended up wasting my freshness. My power curve for the race was a good 10-15% below my max for any given time period.
Land Park is coming up this weekend so maybe I'll do better then, but I won't be letting my TSB get back up so it'll probably feel tougher. I am a little worried about the sharp corners on the L-shaped course, since it is the 5's
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Brooks Race Weekend
TT - Cat 3 - 3rd/4
- First TT of the year. 7.3 miles, out and back. Pretty flat, some slight rollers. Tailwind out, headwind back. Haven't ridden at race intensity enough to know exactly what I can do with how much my power and fitness has increased. Started out conservative, I think too much so, but finished strong. Ended up with 305w and 8s off 2nd and 20s off the winner. I think with a little more refined pacing now that I have a baseline I could be up there. I also had a horrific turnaround. I never have bad turnarounds, not sure what the deal was, but I totally trashed it. Prob 5-10s right there.
Circuit - Cat 3 - Last?/~30?
- 45 minute circuit race. Laps were 15min long, so sorta road race-y. I was the breakaway man for the team. So, I attacked, and attacked, and attacked. I made the race pretty freaking hard. I got away with a TT1 Devo kid about 10 mins into the race and we had a legit gap and break going. We stayed away about 10 minutes. Apparently my teammate chased us down from what others were saying? Not sure what that was about, he may have just been setting false tempo and it looked like he was chasing us down. Anyways, I get back in the group and start attacking or following attacks again and trying to get something to stick. We get some moves off, but everyone was just too fresh with that short of a race and no one was willing to work much once we got a gap. Last lap we turned a corner with about 1.5 miles to go, I find a hole and I punch it, attack hard. I look bad, see and a solid gap. I say screw it, these guys may play with each other and I might have a chance. I go all in. Unfortunately, that last stretch before the final turn with 200m to go was a lot longer than I thought. I thought I was doing like a 1k or 1.5k, but it was more like a 1.5 mile. I set some new power records for the duration but they gobbled me up with 300-400m to go. I just sat up and rolled in at this point. Oh well, I tried.
Road Race - Cat 3 - 3rd/~40
- Three 17 Mile laps for about 50 miles on tap for today. Mostly flat course with some rollers. Solid amount of wind. My goal was to get in a break again. My team would help me out. Other racers are starting to realize I'm a breakaway rider and give me a chat during the first 5-10 mins so I make some friends to get an attempt going in a bit. About 10 miles into the a race, and pretty solid 5-6 man break gets off the front with a nice gap. I get a bit worried, so decide to bridge up. I'm about halfway across the gap and all of the sudden a police car pulls right in front of me. I'm like WTF, dodge him and look at the break who looks confused, and then look back to see the peloton turning. Oops, popo forgot to tell us to turn there. Great. So now instead of being OTF, I'm OTB. I start chasing back and do a solid 5min effort to latch back onto the group. Ugh. I regain composure and recover a bit, and start making my way back up towards the front. About 20 miles in, one of the TT1 Devo kids gets off the front again. My teammate thinks I should go for it so he attacks with me on his wheel and launches me. I make contact and start working with him and 2 guys that came with us. We cycle through at a hard pace for a while and a couple bridgers make it to our group. We get "organized" and a few more guys bridge up to us. Now we are sitting with about 11 guys and although we aren't working great together (big group), we are making our way away from the field. My teammates and the TT1 Devo teammates are blocking at the front. Only one or two teams weren't in the break so we pretty much had it locked up we'd stay away.
Our group never worked great together the whole breakaway. There were a lot of big guys that I would assume were sprinters that were trying to sit in on the back of the group and not do any work. Not sure if they were doing that to conserve energy or because they were maxed out. Either way it was really a core group of about 5 guys that were doing all of the work. I did probably the most work out of anyone in the whole break. I'm one of those guys that would rather be rotating and doing a fairly consistent pace then sitting on the back doing hard/soft/hard/soft. We weren't pushing the pace too much anyways, we knew we had a solid gap, so doing some 250w pulls was no biggie. I could tell the further we went into the race that I had a good shot. Everyone in the group looked to be wearing down considerably. I'm surprised we never popped anyone off the back, but the group wasn't working well enough together and there weren't any super tactical places to knock em off. I can't do the trick to try and pop em off because I simply am not punchy enough and I'll probably just end up blowing myself up.
Anyways, the last 5km is really the only important part here. We start playing around and no one is really wanting to work. I'm still doing some work, because I'd rather stay up near the front in case something goes, and I really don't want us to get caught (ie 1/10odds better than 1/40). One guy attacks and gets a decent gap, we are working together a bit again and he just kind of dangles off the front. I wasn't too too worried about him because I knew that last 2km or so was directly into a head wind. The TT1 Devo kid puts in a super hard attack and I get on a guy's wheel that got his wheel. Unfortunately we didn't get away and we all get back together. At this point we are all just soft pedaling with a bout 2km to go and that guy that was dangling off the front is getting a decent gap. The TT1 Devo kid launches again, but this time with too much kick and I couldn't hold his wheel, I let him go not wanting to blow up pulling the whole group with me to him. Unfortunately no one countered that I could latch onto, and I knew he was probably gone for good. We kind of mess around a bit, but again not really pulling or doing any work. Some guys up the pace with about 1k to and I'm up in the top 3 wheels. I was just on the wheel of a super strong sprinter I knew in the break, because I had a feeling I would get a decent result following him. Well, at about 300m to go he hadn't gone and didn't look like he was going to. I hope to get a jump on everyone so decided to go. I put everything into it and sprint hard. I keep expecting that sprinter guy or one of the others to go flying by me. I throw the bike across the line, look back, and have a huge gap. Go figure. Guess a 800w sprint still can win bunch sprints. Another solid breakaway and good result.
Gosh I type too much in these.
TT - Cat 3 - 3rd/4
- First TT of the year. 7.3 miles, out and back. Pretty flat, some slight rollers. Tailwind out, headwind back. Haven't ridden at race intensity enough to know exactly what I can do with how much my power and fitness has increased. Started out conservative, I think too much so, but finished strong. Ended up with 305w and 8s off 2nd and 20s off the winner. I think with a little more refined pacing now that I have a baseline I could be up there. I also had a horrific turnaround. I never have bad turnarounds, not sure what the deal was, but I totally trashed it. Prob 5-10s right there.
Circuit - Cat 3 - Last?/~30?
- 45 minute circuit race. Laps were 15min long, so sorta road race-y. I was the breakaway man for the team. So, I attacked, and attacked, and attacked. I made the race pretty freaking hard. I got away with a TT1 Devo kid about 10 mins into the race and we had a legit gap and break going. We stayed away about 10 minutes. Apparently my teammate chased us down from what others were saying? Not sure what that was about, he may have just been setting false tempo and it looked like he was chasing us down. Anyways, I get back in the group and start attacking or following attacks again and trying to get something to stick. We get some moves off, but everyone was just too fresh with that short of a race and no one was willing to work much once we got a gap. Last lap we turned a corner with about 1.5 miles to go, I find a hole and I punch it, attack hard. I look bad, see and a solid gap. I say screw it, these guys may play with each other and I might have a chance. I go all in. Unfortunately, that last stretch before the final turn with 200m to go was a lot longer than I thought. I thought I was doing like a 1k or 1.5k, but it was more like a 1.5 mile. I set some new power records for the duration but they gobbled me up with 300-400m to go. I just sat up and rolled in at this point. Oh well, I tried.
Road Race - Cat 3 - 3rd/~40
- Three 17 Mile laps for about 50 miles on tap for today. Mostly flat course with some rollers. Solid amount of wind. My goal was to get in a break again. My team would help me out. Other racers are starting to realize I'm a breakaway rider and give me a chat during the first 5-10 mins so I make some friends to get an attempt going in a bit. About 10 miles into the a race, and pretty solid 5-6 man break gets off the front with a nice gap. I get a bit worried, so decide to bridge up. I'm about halfway across the gap and all of the sudden a police car pulls right in front of me. I'm like WTF, dodge him and look at the break who looks confused, and then look back to see the peloton turning. Oops, popo forgot to tell us to turn there. Great. So now instead of being OTF, I'm OTB. I start chasing back and do a solid 5min effort to latch back onto the group. Ugh. I regain composure and recover a bit, and start making my way back up towards the front. About 20 miles in, one of the TT1 Devo kids gets off the front again. My teammate thinks I should go for it so he attacks with me on his wheel and launches me. I make contact and start working with him and 2 guys that came with us. We cycle through at a hard pace for a while and a couple bridgers make it to our group. We get "organized" and a few more guys bridge up to us. Now we are sitting with about 11 guys and although we aren't working great together (big group), we are making our way away from the field. My teammates and the TT1 Devo teammates are blocking at the front. Only one or two teams weren't in the break so we pretty much had it locked up we'd stay away.
Our group never worked great together the whole breakaway. There were a lot of big guys that I would assume were sprinters that were trying to sit in on the back of the group and not do any work. Not sure if they were doing that to conserve energy or because they were maxed out. Either way it was really a core group of about 5 guys that were doing all of the work. I did probably the most work out of anyone in the whole break. I'm one of those guys that would rather be rotating and doing a fairly consistent pace then sitting on the back doing hard/soft/hard/soft. We weren't pushing the pace too much anyways, we knew we had a solid gap, so doing some 250w pulls was no biggie. I could tell the further we went into the race that I had a good shot. Everyone in the group looked to be wearing down considerably. I'm surprised we never popped anyone off the back, but the group wasn't working well enough together and there weren't any super tactical places to knock em off. I can't do the trick to try and pop em off because I simply am not punchy enough and I'll probably just end up blowing myself up.
Anyways, the last 5km is really the only important part here. We start playing around and no one is really wanting to work. I'm still doing some work, because I'd rather stay up near the front in case something goes, and I really don't want us to get caught (ie 1/10odds better than 1/40). One guy attacks and gets a decent gap, we are working together a bit again and he just kind of dangles off the front. I wasn't too too worried about him because I knew that last 2km or so was directly into a head wind. The TT1 Devo kid puts in a super hard attack and I get on a guy's wheel that got his wheel. Unfortunately we didn't get away and we all get back together. At this point we are all just soft pedaling with a bout 2km to go and that guy that was dangling off the front is getting a decent gap. The TT1 Devo kid launches again, but this time with too much kick and I couldn't hold his wheel, I let him go not wanting to blow up pulling the whole group with me to him. Unfortunately no one countered that I could latch onto, and I knew he was probably gone for good. We kind of mess around a bit, but again not really pulling or doing any work. Some guys up the pace with about 1k to and I'm up in the top 3 wheels. I was just on the wheel of a super strong sprinter I knew in the break, because I had a feeling I would get a decent result following him. Well, at about 300m to go he hadn't gone and didn't look like he was going to. I hope to get a jump on everyone so decided to go. I put everything into it and sprint hard. I keep expecting that sprinter guy or one of the others to go flying by me. I throw the bike across the line, look back, and have a huge gap. Go figure. Guess a 800w sprint still can win bunch sprints. Another solid breakaway and good result.
Gosh I type too much in these.
03-11-13, 02:26 PM
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Rouge Roubaix. 104 miles, many sections on roads that would charitably be called goat paths. I did the 4/5 race, finishing 39th out of 75, 5 hours and 45 minutes in. Honestly, I'm proud as hell to just have finished. Anyway, here's a report on the 4/5 race, at least as far as I saw:
Everything stuck together for 15ish miles. Good roads here. Then, there's a hairpin right turn, the gravel starts, and the second half of the turn goes uphill. I hit this turn mid pack, and had to dodge a bunch of carnage right here. Four guys are in the dirt ahead of me, somehow I make it around without falling. I take a quick look around for my riding buddy, don't see him, so I put my head down and start riding. This first stretch of gravel lasts 3 or 4 miles, and I'm passing carnage all over. Guys standing on the side of the road bleeding, discarded tubes, etc. This was the last time there was any semblance of a peloton.
Over the course of the ride I got into some pickup groups, some seemed like they thought they had an actual chance of chasing the leaders. I'd hang with for as long as I could, but my legs weren't feeling great and I wanted to make sure I just finished the race. So I would take a couple pulls then bow out gracefully.
I get a bit more confidence on the gravel, but still ended up going down 3 or 4 times. The first time was a bit of an ego hit, but based on all the dirty jerseys I saw, I wasn't the only one, so I didn't worry about it.
Overall, had a blast. At mile 85, was telling myself "never, again." On the other side of the finish, I was already looking forward to next year.
Everything stuck together for 15ish miles. Good roads here. Then, there's a hairpin right turn, the gravel starts, and the second half of the turn goes uphill. I hit this turn mid pack, and had to dodge a bunch of carnage right here. Four guys are in the dirt ahead of me, somehow I make it around without falling. I take a quick look around for my riding buddy, don't see him, so I put my head down and start riding. This first stretch of gravel lasts 3 or 4 miles, and I'm passing carnage all over. Guys standing on the side of the road bleeding, discarded tubes, etc. This was the last time there was any semblance of a peloton.
Over the course of the ride I got into some pickup groups, some seemed like they thought they had an actual chance of chasing the leaders. I'd hang with for as long as I could, but my legs weren't feeling great and I wanted to make sure I just finished the race. So I would take a couple pulls then bow out gracefully.
I get a bit more confidence on the gravel, but still ended up going down 3 or 4 times. The first time was a bit of an ego hit, but based on all the dirty jerseys I saw, I wasn't the only one, so I didn't worry about it.
Overall, had a blast. At mile 85, was telling myself "never, again." On the other side of the finish, I was already looking forward to next year.
03-11-13, 02:39 PM
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Avg. Peak power 901 watts, 5s was 820 or something. Normally I'm a bit higher, like 160-180w avg, peak 1000-1200, 1000-1100w for 18 seconds in the sprint.
I never really sprinted as I was bonking for the last 5 laps and I didn't even think I could finish. At 5 to go I was towards the front and feeling optimistic. Then I got dizzy/lightheaded, super weak, didn't eat enough during the day. With 2 to go I was cresting the hill just off the back of the field. I just threaded holes on the last lap and rode up the hill on the last lap "fast", i.e. whatever I could do.
You can see the speed drop off as I drifted to the back here. 7th hump from the end I suddenly bonked while near the front. The second last lap I had to work just to stay in, last lap I just did what I could.
I never really sprinted as I was bonking for the last 5 laps and I didn't even think I could finish. At 5 to go I was towards the front and feeling optimistic. Then I got dizzy/lightheaded, super weak, didn't eat enough during the day. With 2 to go I was cresting the hill just off the back of the field. I just threaded holes on the last lap and rode up the hill on the last lap "fast", i.e. whatever I could do.
You can see the speed drop off as I drifted to the back here. 7th hump from the end I suddenly bonked while near the front. The second last lap I had to work just to stay in, last lap I just did what I could.
03-11-13, 03:39 PM
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I do sympathize, because I've been less than perfect in following the centerline rule myself in the past. But recent events in the UK and Ireland have really hammered home the point about this rule, which is that if it is violated, there is a very real chance that someone will end up dead. With that in mind, if I were an official, my policy would be to disqualify 100% of offenders.
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03-11-13, 03:57 PM
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I, too, have in the past been a bit liberal with the yellow line rule. I was wrong to do so, and I don't do it anymore. If I needed to violate it to stay up, I would do so, but would graciously accept the DQ, because I would have messed up.
One additional reason is that, if there is a lax attitude about it, and drivers see it happening, chances are that next year there will be no permit granted, and thus no race. It's hard enough to permit a road race without adding fuel to the fires.
One additional reason is that, if there is a lax attitude about it, and drivers see it happening, chances are that next year there will be no permit granted, and thus no race. It's hard enough to permit a road race without adding fuel to the fires.
03-11-13, 04:06 PM
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you have to stop. they're too stupid to know the difference.
I kinda wanted to go up to her and point out the guys in the field who had bigger better degrees, jobs, houses, industries better than her. Like that one guy who invented the GPS chip in your cell phone.
What is it with NE officials that make them such insufferable ********?
I won't justify her comment, but you have to admit that there is a certain Pavlovian response to the ringing of a bell in a crit. The prize often doesn't matter, it's just free stuff. Last year at New London, I went for two primes for real and one as a launchpad. The two I won were the same thing, a mini pump. On the second one I heard someone yell at me "What, are you collecting pumps? Do you really need two?" Like I knew what the prime was for or if I cared. It was all about testing my legs.
You will learn to recognize the brass bell sound of the prime bell at Bethel and ignore the happy housewife. In my first race back in 2011 I sprinted for the crowd bell. Live and learn.
03-11-13, 04:53 PM
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I think referring to the people you're there to serve with derision within earshot of the crowd is bad form.
Particularly since I'm always sure to be nice and supportive of officials, and I'm sure no dummy.
The bell was a pretty easy mistake to make, particularly since there was no sound sample.
I couldn't care less about the prime. It's the other part that irked me.
Particularly since I'm always sure to be nice and supportive of officials, and I'm sure no dummy.
The bell was a pretty easy mistake to make, particularly since there was no sound sample.
I couldn't care less about the prime. It's the other part that irked me.
03-11-13, 07:20 PM
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