Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

"The 33"-Road Bike Racing We set this forum up for our members to discuss their experiences in either pro or amateur racing, whether they are the big races, or even the small backyard races. Don't forget to update all the members with your own race results.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-04-05, 02:08 PM   #1
jcthomasjr
Changing every other day!
Thread Starter
 
jcthomasjr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Columbia, MD
Bikes: '04 Moots Vamoots w/ Campy Chorus, '90 Specialized Sirrus, '01 Specialized HardRock
Posts: 62
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
David Clinger's tattoo

Has anyone else read the story on Velonews, or anywhere else for that matter, on David Clinger's Maori warrior type of tattoo? Apparently his team, Webcor, has asked that he have the tattoo removed. I know the sponsor has a right to be concerned about image, but it sounds like they didn't really poll the sponsors or get some feedback from Clinger about what the tattoo is all about. I don't own a company and I certainly don't sponsor anything, so for me to comment from that aspect is difficult. But on one hand I have to say why all the fuss? And apparently all those involved in the decision have not even seen the tattoo. Must admit that this is an interesting story.

I certainly am curious now about the Webcor company. For me, I would lean more towards not doing business with this company or not buying their products because of their decision to want Clinger to remove the tattoo, or especially if they removed him from the team because of it.
jcthomasjr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-05, 02:15 PM   #2
Grasschopper
He drop me
 
Grasschopper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Central PA
Bikes: '03 Marin Mill Valley, '06 Cannondale Rush, '02 Eddy Merckx Corsa 0.1, '07 Bottecchia Euro Sprint Tour Comp Elite Pro 1000
Posts: 11,433
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Did he have the Tat when they signed him? If so to me they could pound sand. I am not a big fan of tats but it is his body and if they didn't like it they shouldn't have signed him or made it part of the contract that he remove it. Or how about cover it. Many states have policies that HS athletes must cover tats in competition. Look at HS photos of Lebron James for reference.
__________________
The views expressed by this poster do not reflect the views of BikeForums.net.
Grasschopper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-05, 02:19 PM   #3
jcthomasjr
Changing every other day!
Thread Starter
 
jcthomasjr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Columbia, MD
Bikes: '04 Moots Vamoots w/ Campy Chorus, '90 Specialized Sirrus, '01 Specialized HardRock
Posts: 62
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
If you have not read anything about this, it is a facial tattoo.
jcthomasjr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-05, 04:19 PM   #4
skydive69
Senior Member
 
skydive69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Seminole, FL
Bikes: Guru Geneo, Specialized Roubaix Pro, Guru chron 'alu, Specialized Sequoia
Posts: 2,258
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcthomasjr
Has anyone else read the story on Velonews, or anywhere else for that matter, on David Clinger's Maori warrior type of tattoo? Apparently his team, Webcor, has asked that he have the tattoo removed. I know the sponsor has a right to be concerned about image, but it sounds like they didn't really poll the sponsors or get some feedback from Clinger about what the tattoo is all about. I don't own a company and I certainly don't sponsor anything, so for me to comment from that aspect is difficult. But on one hand I have to say why all the fuss? And apparently all those involved in the decision have not even seen the tattoo. Must admit that this is an interesting story.

I certainly am curious now about the Webcor company. For me, I would lean more towards not doing business with this company or not buying their products because of their decision to want Clinger to remove the tattoo, or especially if they removed him from the team because of it.
I can certainly understand that considering how rare tattoos are - especially on sports figures. I'd tell the sponsor to go eff themselves.
skydive69 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-05, 04:21 PM   #5
timmhaan
more ape than man
 
timmhaan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: nyc
Bikes:
Posts: 8,094
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
does anyone have a pic, or a link? i can't really find anything on this.
timmhaan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-05, 05:12 PM   #6
rich007
Senior Member
 
rich007's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: NJ/NYC
Bikes: 2008 Salsa Fargo
Posts: 420
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by timmhaan
does anyone have a pic, or a link? i can't really find anything on this.
This is not his but must be similar to this Maori tatoo from a motion picture "Once Were Warriors":

rich007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-05, 05:16 PM   #7
Avalanche325
Senior Member
 
Avalanche325's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Pasadena, CA
Bikes: Litespeed Firenze / GT Avalanche
Posts: 3,162
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
It is called a Moko. I lived in New Zealand for three years. I think I saw 1 that was not on TV. Of course he has a right to have one. A sponsor also has the right to sponsor someone else if that person does not fit their desired image. People in business (and pro cycling IS a business) should think really hard before getting a tatoo, or piercing, or purple mohawk, that cannot be covered. It is your right to do it. It is also your right to live with the consequenses of your decision.

Here is a picture of a real one:
Avalanche325 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-05, 05:19 PM   #8
timmhaan
more ape than man
 
timmhaan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: nyc
Bikes:
Posts: 8,094
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
if anything, i think it would help to bring publicity to the team. maybe in the 50's this would be controversal in the publics eye, but today i don't think it would negatively impact the sponser.
timmhaan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-05, 05:20 PM   #9
jbhowat
@ Checkmate Cycling
 
jbhowat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Denver, CO
Bikes: CAAD 8 - Ultegra
Posts: 1,622
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
aHAHAHAHAAAA....

I don't get it at all.... But I don't get a lot of things many people have super strong beliefs in *cough*god*cough*..

That said, its his right to have it, and it is the sponsor's right to have it removed or remove him from the team but IMHO *ONLY* if he got it after he signed. I don't know the whole story.
jbhowat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-05, 05:21 PM   #10
Crack'n'fail
Photog Extraordinaire
 
Crack'n'fail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Bikes: Santa Cruz Chameleon, Cannondale R800 (CAAD4) with Dura-Ace upgrade
Posts: 863
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
He did not have the tat when they signed him. They said the image did not match with their "blue collar" image of cyclists who have real jobs and race on top of that. They told him if he removed it he could still race for them. He has agreed to remove it, he said he had already looked into removal options before getting it. If he's that non-commital to the ink he put on his skin I wouldn't feel too bad for him.
Crack'n'fail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-05, 05:23 PM   #11
Avalanche325
Senior Member
 
Avalanche325's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Pasadena, CA
Bikes: Litespeed Firenze / GT Avalanche
Posts: 3,162
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by timmhaan
if anything, i think it would help to bring publicity to the team. maybe in the 50's this would be controversal in the publics eye, but today i don't think it would negatively impact the sponser.
There is good publicity and bad publicity. Companies don't generally want to pay for the later. Some people don't think a thing about any kind of body decoration. But MOST people still don't approve, so it dosen't make good business sense to have a built in controversy on your "billboard". I am not saying it is right. But that is the way it is.......................
Avalanche325 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-05, 05:36 PM   #12
Crack'n'fail
Photog Extraordinaire
 
Crack'n'fail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Bikes: Santa Cruz Chameleon, Cannondale R800 (CAAD4) with Dura-Ace upgrade
Posts: 863
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
well put avalance
Crack'n'fail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-05, 06:57 PM   #13
qmsdc15
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Maryland
Bikes: rockhopper, delta V, cannondale H300, Marin Mill Valley
Posts: 5,155
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I think I've heard of Webcor before, the fact that they make a stink about that tattoo is negative publicity for sure. He's crazy to remove it (crazy to get in first place but done), he should sign with another team, the guy will get in a lot of photos with team jersey on because he looks interesting. No one will think the product is bad because some freak races for that team. Instead they will think maybe I will try that olive oil or coffee or jelly bean or webcor type product. I have no interest in what they sell at this point. They want the team to look blue collar so their white collar customers will feel safe buying their product. He should sue for breach of contract and race for a better sponser.
qmsdc15 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-05, 08:54 PM   #14
NeoBinary
Senior Member
 
NeoBinary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Birmingham, AL
Bikes: Schwinn Sprint 1988, Roadmaster Mountain Climber mid 90's
Posts: 195
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalanche325
Some people don't think a thing about any kind of body decoration. But MOST people still don't approve
I suppose you've based this on the tons of data you've collected?
Painting with some mighty broad strokes, don't ya think?
NeoBinary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-05, 10:12 PM   #15
DEKKERFAN
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Boston, MA
Bikes:
Posts: 78
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Hey, any publicity is good publicity right? I mean just look at us all clammering about it and how we all want to see it. Personally I think it's an outrageous thing to do, I would never do it and from what I've seen, probably about 99.99% of the human population would never do it either. But, maybe some high percent of the population would just like to get a look at the guy, you know, like checking out the freaks in the circus. Heck, if I were in charge of the team I'd say leave it on and see how the season goes. Tell him to attack and get in some breakaways and drum up some publicity. You know it will turn into a media circus the way the press is nowadays. Just tell him to always wear something that says "Webcor" on it.
DEKKERFAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-05, 10:14 PM   #16
DEKKERFAN
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Boston, MA
Bikes:
Posts: 78
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Hey, any publicity is good publicity right? I mean just look at us all clammering about it and how we all want to see it. A full face tattoo? I personally I think it's an outrageous thing to do, I would never do it and from what I've seen, probably about 99.99% of the human population would never do it either. But, maybe some high percent of the population would just like to get a look at the guy, you know, like checking out the freaks in the circus. Heck, if I were in charge of the team I'd say leave it on and see how the season goes. Tell him to attack and get in some breakaways and drum up some publicity. You know it will turn into a media circus the way the press is nowadays. Just tell him to always wear something that says "Webcor" on it.
DEKKERFAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-05, 05:14 AM   #17
roadwarrior
Senior Member
 
roadwarrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Bike Business!!!
Bikes: Cannondale Super Six High Mod, Evo, Sram Red, CAAD9 Rival
Posts: 10,502
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalanche325
It is your right to do it. It is also your right to live with the consequenses of your decision.
Part two of your statement is what many people don't get. You have the right to do what you want...I have the right to run my company that way I want...if those two don't somehow match up, there are consequences...

In "Significant Other", the book about Victor Hugo Pena's perspective of Lance's fifth win, there is a very funny part about Victor showing up with colored hair and being told that if he wanted to have colored hair he could do it someplace else.

A cyclist, like a Formula One or NASCAR driver is a traveling representative/billboard for their sponsor(s). There is responsibility associated with that. The sponsor has a right to expect the team and team members, to act or look a certain way....

Kinda why Tony Stewart was taken to the woodshed by Home Depot and Joe Gibbs...

Last edited by roadwarrior; 02-06-05 at 07:37 AM.
roadwarrior is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-05, 05:14 AM   #18
JoeOxfordCT
JoeWolcottCT
 
JoeOxfordCT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Wolcott, CT
Bikes: Cannondale
Posts: 1,656
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I Googled Dave Clinger and checked the images tab on the Google site...they had this shot of him but the tattoo is on his chest not face....perhaps he did the face job after the pic ???
I don't know anything about Mr. Clinger but after Mike Tyson I don't think we need anymore athletes with full face tattoos....what's next ? ear biting ??
JoeOxfordCT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-05, 08:48 AM   #19
pearcem
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Bikes:
Posts: 712
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
the chest tattoo is one that he had before. it was another semi-spiritual warrior type tat that he said was believed (by whatever culture it is from) to protect anyone who had one, and he said he got it because he had a lot of crashes. the face Tattoo was done much more recently. Webcore said that they are going to try and prevent pics from getting out so that it doesn't get to be a bigger "problem". i feel sorry for the guy's fiance
pearcem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-05, 09:34 AM   #20
roadwarrior
Senior Member
 
roadwarrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Bike Business!!!
Bikes: Cannondale Super Six High Mod, Evo, Sram Red, CAAD9 Rival
Posts: 10,502
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by pearcem
the chest tattoo is one that he had before. it was another semi-spiritual warrior type tat that he said was believed (by whatever culture it is from) to protect anyone who had one, and he said he got it because he had a lot of crashes. the face Tattoo was done much more recently. Webcore said that they are going to try and prevent pics from getting out so that it doesn't get to be a bigger "problem". i feel sorry for the guy's fiance
I feel sorry for David....I know someone who had a couple of tatoos removed from the upper arm...ones done in a state of "comfortably numb"...and it ain't no fun. From the face REALLY is going to get David's attention.
roadwarrior is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-05, 10:26 AM   #21
Laggard
Lance Hater
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Los Angeles
Bikes:
Posts: 4,403
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
What was he thinking? I have no problems with tattoos. I have three of them myself. However, I know that by getting by face tattoed I am effectivly removing myself from any type of job that requires putting on a public face.

Cycling is still a fairly conservative sport. Though there are a couple tats in the peloton, tats and funny lookin' hair still don't go over well. Even Cipos slightly different lookin uniforms were frowned on.
Laggard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-05, 03:44 PM   #22
climbo
Member
 
climbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Australia
Bikes: a few
Posts: 2,404
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laggard
What was he thinking? I have no problems with tattoos. I have three of them myself. However, I know that by getting by face tattoed I am effectivly removing myself from any type of job that requires putting on a public face.
agree 100%, on your face is just going to get you sacked from plenty of jobs !! He must have known this would happen or he is really stupid. Now he's removing it? I thought he REALLY HAD TO HAVE IT !! Nutjob.
climbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-05, 08:59 PM   #23
Guest
Guest
 
Bikes:
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
Well, if he's Maori, then that's one thing.

If he did it just because, then he's just an idiot who didn't think before he acted. But I'm sure the pain of having it scraped off his face will help him understand what he should and shouldn't do to his own body when it's basically owned by the company that pays your bills.

Koffee
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-05, 09:15 PM   #24
Guest
Guest
 
Bikes:
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
Whokay- here's the link to the story btw: http://www.velonorth.ca/print.php?sid=117

Koffee
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-05, 10:39 PM   #25
dolophonic
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Los Angeles
Bikes:
Posts: 517
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Woah....
dolophonic is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:04 AM.