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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    If you look in the musettes of pro riders you would be surprised what you will find in there.
    Like what?

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    interesting article on hi fat / lo carb diets and adaptation

    http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/09/hi...ow-to-try-one/
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    I was driving back from Bend yesterday and saw a sign on the freeway saying "Honk if you like buffets". Guess who I thought of.
    "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creakyknees View Post
    interesting article on hi fat / lo carb diets and adaptation

    http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/09/hi...ow-to-try-one/
    Interesting read. I'm on day 4. I'll report back. Like most of my diet experiments, it might turn into a somewhat interesting train wreck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    I was driving back from Bend yesterday and saw a sign on the freeway saying "Honk if you like buffets". Guess who I thought of.
    Creatre?!?!?!?!

    Speaking of buffets...
    In celebration of the start of the NFL season we are having a cookout type day at the office...
    Choice 1:
    8 oz turkey breast, 6 oz of sweet potato

    Choice 2:
    Ballpark hotdogs, potato chips, etc.

    Such difficult decisions....



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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    Creatre?!?!?!?!

    Speaking of buffets...
    In celebration of the start of the NFL season we are having a cookout type day at the office...
    Choice 1:
    8 oz turkey breast, 6 oz of sweet potato

    Choice 2:
    Ballpark hotdogs, potato chips, etc.

    Such difficult decisions....



    Bwahahahahaha
    I get made fun of at buffets because I only make one trip. My friends call me going to a buffet a waste of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creatre View Post
    I get made fun of at buffets because I only make one trip. My friends call me going to a buffet a waste of money.
    Funny, my friends say the same thing...




    In all honesty mama is getting ready for a show right now so things have been pretty tame though our grocery bill has probably doubled (or more). I have cleaned up as well and am trying to eat to put some more size on (yeah yeah I know). Problem is I am going to have to cut the sleeves of jersey as the go on but can't come off (maybe I need something larger than a medium)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    Creatre?!?!?!?!

    Speaking of buffets...
    In celebration of the start of the NFL season we are having a cookout type day at the office...
    Choice 1:
    8 oz turkey breast, 6 oz of sweet potato

    Choice 2:
    Ballpark hotdogs, potato chips, etc.

    Such difficult decisions....



    Bwahahahahaha
    No brainer. I'll take the hot dogs every time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Boy View Post
    Interesting read. I'm on day 4. I'll report back. Like most of my diet experiments, it might turn into a somewhat interesting train wreck.
    End of week one on my high fat diet. I'm eating quite a bit of food. I haven't ever eaten like this. It's weird. I'm eating about 50 grams of carbs per day. This is including fiber, which is coming primarily from vegetables. I'm also eating maybe 100 grams of protein. I am not coming from a place where I was eating a lot of sugar or refined carbs. I was easting a massive amount of veggies and quite a bit of fruit as well. I was also consciously eating quite a bit of protein, maybe 150 grams/day. I've dropped all of this. I haven't been eating bread/pasta/etc., so this is a change I really haven't had to make, but I haven't been eating even small amounts.

    I have been eating _lots_ of fat. Avocados, olive oil, coconut oil, grass-fed butter, nuts, cheeses, meat, etc have been my staples. It's a little bizarre as far as a diet goes, honestly.

    I'm using the pee strips to see if I'm getting into ketosis. So far I'm not developing a lot of ketones, but it's gone from 'none' to 'trace'.

    My back has been hurt and I traveled for work last weekend, so I haven't been training on the bike. I have been good with energy through the day and not sluggish. I do feel a little less bloated (from not eating massive salads 2-3 times a day) and a little less gassy.

    I weigh myself once a week (I should probably do that more often). My 'normal' weight that I've weighed for over the last year is 145#. Last week (the morning I started this experiment) I weighed in at 143.5#, which was a 'low' weight for me. I'm almost always heavier. I was pretty sure that this was going to be a 'heavy' week. Last week was a 'light' measurement and I've spent the week of eating as much fat as I could. Drum-roll....I lost a pound. Keep in mind, I'm not restricting anything and I'm not trying to lose any weight. I'm really doing this for more of a fueling thing for long races and overall body composition.

    I'm going to get to do some riding this week and I'll be reporting back on energy/power on the bike as I get some info. Cheers.

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    You may want to monitor your lipid profile.
    "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    You may want to monitor your lipid profile.
    Good point. Generally speaking, LDL's go up, but the size of the individual particles goes up significantly. The research shows particle size is much more of a issue than the actual total number. Small, hard LDL particles (specifically on inflamed blood vessels) is a real issue, for sure.

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    ^so what does a "normal" meal look like for you?

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    Here was my dinner:

    Caprese salad. Fresh basil and black pepper over sliced cherry tomatoes and 1/4rd mozzarella balls. All of this smothered in olive oil and mixed up.

    Pan fried black cod filet (6oz) and portobello mushrooms (both in coconut oil)

    a handfull of macadamia nuts for 'dessert'

    I could have had some salad, but I just didn't want any so I didn't. I might have a snack before bed...maybe not. I'm not really hungry.

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    One thing I am still trying to get used to is food volume. When I was eating large amounts of veggies, the calorie density is small, so the food volume is large. This is the opposite. The food is very calorie dense and it doesn't take that much (in volume) until you're just kinda done eating. I feel like I haven't eaten very much, but when I add it up, it's actually plenty of calories.

    Having said that, I'm not calorie counting, I'm just trying to calibrate my eating-to-80%full-o-meter.

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    Thank you. That sounds good. When you listed what you were using a few posts up, I couldn't wrap my head around how you could form a "meal" out of that. Thought it would look like a healthy Golden Rule buffet or something.

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    I'm trying to come up with a bowl of 'cereal' for breakfast. I also will fry up an omelette if the pain hits.

    Here's the 'cereal' for this morning:

    I just kind of threw this together in a bowl this morning by just spooning the stuff in the bowl.

    a couple scoops of hulled hemp
    pepitas (hulled pumpkin seeds)
    walnuts
    1/2 a scoop of vanilla whey protein (stevia sweetened)
    a scoop of flax meal
    scoop of raw cacao powder
    a couple sprinkles of cacao nibs
    a couple tablespoons of Irish butter
    a tablespoon or 2 of coconut oil
    a pour of almond milk

    I heated this up in the microwave for 2 minutes to melt the butter then mixed it up. Once everything was nice and smooth, I mixed in a couple spoonfuls of full fat greek yogurt. It was really good. I'd like to make this kind of a 'go to', but I've got to get it figured out a little better.

    It's got a bunch of fat, a bit of protein and maybe 20 grams of total carbs and 10 grams of 'active' carbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Boy View Post
    I'm trying to come up with a bowl of 'cereal' for breakfast. I also will fry up an omelette if the pain hits.

    Here's the 'cereal' for this morning:

    I just kind of threw this together in a bowl this morning by just spooning the stuff in the bowl.

    a couple scoops of hulled hemp
    pepitas (hulled pumpkin seeds)
    walnuts
    1/2 a scoop of vanilla whey protein (stevia sweetened)
    a scoop of flax meal
    scoop of raw cacao powder
    a couple sprinkles of cacao nibs
    a couple tablespoons of Irish butter
    a tablespoon or 2 of coconut oil
    a pour of almond milk

    I heated this up in the microwave for 2 minutes to melt the butter then mixed it up. Once everything was nice and smooth, I mixed in a couple spoonfuls of full fat greek yogurt. It was really good. I'd like to make this kind of a 'go to', but I've got to get it figured out a little better.

    It's got a bunch of fat, a bit of protein and maybe 20 grams of total carbs and 10 grams of 'active' carbs.
    How many calories is that? That is one heck of a breakfast. And a whole lot of effort in the morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creatre View Post
    How many calories is that? That is one heck of a breakfast. And a whole lot of effort in the morning.
    **** that - three eggs, 12 egg whites, 1 cup of oatmeal, 2 biscuits and gravy , one protein shake.....
    Done...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    **** that - three eggs, 12 egg whites, 1 cup of oatmeal, 2 biscuits and gravy , one protein shake.....
    Done...
    Yeah that's more than I eat all day, haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creatre View Post
    Yeah that's more than I eat all day, haha.
    can't get huge without 2 scoops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creatre View Post
    Yeah that's more than I eat all day, haha.
    I weigh as much as you and your sidekick ygduf put together

    On a side note I got one of these last week:
    https://www.sixpackbags.com/bags/inn...500-black.html

    Excellent investment - keeps my eating on track for the day.
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    I doubt it. I am huge by racing cyclist standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    I doubt it. I am huge by racing cyclist standards.
    Disagree...
    I am huge by cyclist standards
    I raced at 180 last which made the others look like pigmies beside me...
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    I'm 180. Look at this break http://i.imgur.com/EhOOpOg.jpg 4 midgets and me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creatre View Post
    How many calories is that? That is one heck of a breakfast. And a whole lot of effort in the morning.
    I don't really know. We'll say 300-400 calories from the oil/butter, 100 from the hemp, 100 from the nuts/nibs, 50 from the protein and 100 from the rest. That makes it about 650-750 total calories and it all fits in a normal sized cereal bowl with room left. As far as the time goes, it takes no longer to put together than my oatmeal used to. Once I figure out a 'recipe', I'm going to just stick it all in a big ziplock bag and then I can just take a 'scoop' each morning. Keep in mind I'm kind of making this up as I go along.

    A McGriddle is probably going to be a lot easier/quicker, but that's taking a different path, isn't it?

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