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Old 09-10-13, 02:29 PM   #376
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OK I'm not doing this for every meal, but this along with the other stuff gives a fair representation of a day's food.:

Lunch

6oz Black Cod filet (The package I defrosted had 2 filet's, I used one last night, one today), pan fried in coconut oil. Once cooked, I put Trader Joe's Olive Tapenade on top.
Steamed asparagus and broccoli covered liberally in butter (grass-fed) and black pepper.
2 pieces of bacon for dessert

Nutritional guesses:
35 grams of protein
60 grams of fat
12 grams of Carbs / 7 grams fiber

730 calories total
Estimated insulin response: 3/5 of F.A.

Now, you can take these 3 meals I've listed and throw in the odd handful of nuts or slice of cheese here or there for snacks. Add in a few cups of black/green/white tea and that's a fairly representative snapshot of my present diet.

Will it work? Hell, I don't know. I know what I was doing, and it wasn't bad. I can go back to that at any point. I'm curious to see how I feel after a couple months of this. So far, I'm impressed. I expect it to be a little bit of a learning process. My long Saturday ride will be an eye opener, for sure. I know I'm not 'fat-adapted' or ketogenic, yet. I'm wondering if the wheels are going to completely fall off a couple hours in. If they do, I'll report about it. Hopefully I'll be able to sneak in a longer ride tomorrow so my first long ride on this diet isn't in front of god and everyone. We'll see, I guess.
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Had to snicker when I see the last post by Fat Boy in the "All About Nutrition".

Interesting stuff though.
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Old 09-10-13, 10:20 PM   #378
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anyone take supplements or things like creatine?
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Old 09-10-13, 10:39 PM   #379
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just protein powder for me.
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supplements that work: beet juice, beta alanine, creatine (if you don't mind the water weight), echinacea, st johns wort, vit d, ZMA.

the zma is just me, I don't think any science backs it up. But zinc is shown to be an immune system booster, so if it hurts it's not too much.
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the zma is just me, I don't think any science backs it up. But zinc is shown to be an immune system booster, so if it hurts it's not too much.
Loads of science backs up the Zinc and Magnesium during hard training, more so than most of the other things listed. It's all about stabilizing the hypothalamic- pituitary-gonadal / thyroidal axes.
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Old 09-10-13, 10:55 PM   #382
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17984944

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16648790

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16648789

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20352370

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15258317

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17625241

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anyone take supplements or things like creatine?
16,000 mcg of BCAA
n'sane pre-workout
noxp3 pre-workout
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Daily Multi
Digestive Enzyme post meal
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~30 grams of glutamine
A bunch of protein powder
Good ole fashioned diet
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Loads of science backs up the Zinc and Magnesium during hard training, more so than most of the other things listed. It's all about stabilizing the hypothalamic- pituitary-gonadal / thyroidal axes.
I tried zma last year. [TMI]I had to stop it because it was messing my poo up[/TMI]. Not sure if it was doing anything major or not, I was training harder (so was getting stronger either way).

I've gone to no supplements this year. The body will do what it needs to do. I eat like crap but all my levels seem pretty normal so I'll keep chugging away without buying anything extra until I start dying or something.
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I'm going to fast for 10 days in october.
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I did a juice fast for about that length of time last december. let me know if you need info.
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sure. that would be good.

I was looking at that purium thing.

Mostly I was just trying to derail this thread though.
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sure. that would be good.

I was looking at that purium thing.

Mostly I was just trying to derail this thread though.
Nice...
I was just telling someone this morning how mature you were...
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I'm going to fast for 10 days in october.
If you start this weekend you'll have plenty of friends doing it with you.
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Supplements. OK, here's my laundry list.

For my cardiovascular system, which is quite a bit different than most. Tumeric and CoQ10.

To try to make Testosterone: Bee Royal Jelly, Fenugreek, Tongkat Ali (Longjack), D-Aspartic Acid

Basic Ergogenic aids: Creatine, Beta Alanine (small dosages, long term)

Nutritional: Protein powder, I haven't been eating much of this since I starting the high-fat thing. Excessive protein consumption pushes you away from ketosis. Since I'm eating more meat that I was, I don't need to add protein to get the amount I'm shooting for. I put some in my 'cereal' yesterday morning more as a mechanism for flavoring.

I've played with Zinc and Magnesium for sleep. I haven't really found anything that shows up obviously. It might help, but not sure. I might have enough veggies in my diet that these are not needed for me. I have read that you need to cycle Zinc and Iron back and forth since they influence each other. I haven't done that.

The funny part is that all of what I do probably does little more than make expensive urine. Whatever...
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jesus, you guys spend more in friggin' supplements than I do on groceries.
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jesus, you guys spend more in friggin' supplements than I do on groceries.
Duder you couldn't even imagine what our food/supplement budget is...
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If I spend more than $40 a week on groceries (usually eat out 1-2 times a week MAX) I'm spending a lot.
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If you start this weekend you'll have plenty of friends doing it with you.
what are you saying?
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If I spend more than $40 a week on groceries (usually eat out 1-2 times a week MAX) I'm spending a lot.
We spend that by lunch...
Last week (estimating) I cooked about 10 pounds of fish, 10 pounds of chicken, probably 8 pounds of beef and at least 20 sweet pototos...
It's nonstop in our house.
We don't however, eat out very often.
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He's saying he has a man crush on you...
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the supplements I take are relatively cheap. The beet juice is the hardest to get, so I save it for race weeks.

Anyway, it's better than getting sick. Most everything I take is targeted at mood and immune system support. Placebo or actually effective, I don't get sick often.
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Anyway, it's better than getting sick. Most everything I take is targeted at mood and immune system support. Placebo or actually effective, I don't get sick often.
if supplements are really the only thing holding you back from getting sick you should probably evaluate your diet.

i haven't taken a supplement...ever, and can't remember the last time I was sick (not even a cold).
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If I spend more than $40 a week on groceries (usually eat out 1-2 times a week MAX) I'm spending a lot.
I spend $25-$35 a week on groceries too. Not what I would consider a "healthy" diet though, but it works for now.
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False dichotomy. I'd even wager that people who take supplements eat well more than not.

take them; don't take them. believe them; don't believe them. I don't care.

OP asked, I answered.
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