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thechemist 12-06-13 11:16 AM

I think most of you guys have pretty good points. I have three kids as well 3,4 and 7 and I will also do the cooking. My costs are a bit more than Fat Boys but not by too much. I am pretty "grocery" savvy when it comes to savings which helps a lot.

All that being said, I don't think anyone would disagree with the blanket statment of "in general, healthy food is more expensive than processed crap." FatBoy and I are probably outliers when it comes to healthy eating for large families.

On a side note: While thanksgiving and christmas foods are being marketed things like frozen wildcaught salmon are on fire sale right now!!! Buying a bunch and sticking them into the deep freezer!

Fat Boy 12-06-13 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tetonrider (Post 16305699)
'grass-fed' has become so trendy nowadays

Rightfully so. I think for years we've not known any better. I nicely marbled grass-fed steak tastes delicious, why wouldn't you want that over a more expensive, somewhat tougher/leaner counterpart? Well, in the last several years it's become very apparent that there were genuine health advantages of a naturally raised animal. The truth is that 'grain-fed' is the newbie. It became ubiquitous in the early 70's with the advent of corn subsidies. Like so many 'new and improved' things, we ate them because we were ignorant and believed the governmental advice (Crisco, margarine, corn oils, etc.).

For the record, when I say grass-fed, I mean that the only thing the animal has eaten is grass from a pasture when available and dried hay when the grass wasn't available.

The man that sold me my side of beef is Muslim and the beef is halal, so that means it was killed quickly with a knife to the throat. This is good because it stresses the animal as little as possible and reduces the cortisol released at the time of death, not to mention the fact that Allah has personally blessed my food <*****es!>.

I don't believe the feral boar I get is halal. I may have to check.

mike868y 12-06-13 01:33 PM

where do you guys get grass feed meat from? especially those of you in a city. also, when buying chicken, what should one look for? (i'm assuming chickens don't naturally eat grass...)

rkwaki 12-06-13 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mike868y (Post 16307237)
where do you guys get grass feed meat from? especially those of you in a city. also, when buying chicken, what should one look for? (i'm assuming chickens don't naturally eat grass...)

Whole Foods carried grass fed in our area.

echappist 12-06-13 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mike868y (Post 16307237)
where do you guys get grass feed meat from? especially those of you in a city. also, when buying chicken, what should one look for? (i'm assuming chickens don't naturally eat grass...)

Free range chicken, organic. $4.99/lb from Trader Joe's

I get the skinless, boneless thigh as it's cheaper and tastier

MDcatV 12-06-13 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mike868y (Post 16307237)
where do you guys get grass feed meat from? especially those of you in a city. also, when buying chicken, what should one look for? (i'm assuming chickens don't naturally eat grass...)

you live in baltimore, right? with all the rats and ferral cats, why worry about other meats?

Fat Boy 12-06-13 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rkwaki (Post 16307249)
Whole Foods carried grass fed in our area.

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Originally Posted by echappist (Post 16307277)
Free range chicken, organic. $4.99/lb from Trader Joe's

I get the skinless, boneless thigh as it's cheaper and tastier

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Originally Posted by mike868y (Post 16307237)
where do you guys get grass feed meat from? especially those of you in a city. also, when buying chicken, what should one look for? (i'm assuming chickens don't naturally eat grass...)

Whole Paycheck carries all sorts of goodies, but it's kind of a last resort for me. You're best bet is to find a 'granola-ish' type of store that has it somewhat cheaper. WF's costs about $10/# and the 'Sprouts' market will carry it for as low as $6 from time to time. If I'm getting grass-fed, then I'm fine with 80% lean, as the fat is the good part of grass-fed. If I can't find grass-fed, then I go for the 93% stuff to kind of limit the damage. When I cook it, I'll put some olive or coconut oil in the burger to fatten it a little (I do the same with game meats that are super lean). Cut the fat, spoil the burger.

From Trader Joe's, I'll get the whole chicken and pop it in the slow cooker with some broth and a container of mango salsa. It's super easy and is really good. I've read lately that chicken the fat in chicken thighs (which I like) is heavily skewed towards n-6. Kind of a bummer.

As far as somewhat unconventional places to find grass-fed meats, you can look on Craig's list or a farmer's market (especially good for eggs). You can also call a Crossfit gym and see if they have a hook-up for grass-fed meats as it's a common thing among those types of folks.

Natural chickens don't eat grass, exactly. They kind of scratch around and eat everything. They will all be fed some sort of grain. Their natural diet includes worms, beetles, bugs, etc. When you read on the box of eggs that they're 100% vegetarian, that's not particularly a good thing.

Fat Boy 12-06-13 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MDcatV (Post 16307313)
you live in baltimore, right? with all the rats and ferral cats, why worry about other meats?

Last time in Baltimore, I thought those things my eat _me_.

Enthalpic 12-06-13 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Boy (Post 16307896)
Natural chickens don't eat grass, exactly. They kind of scratch around and eat everything.

Yep. From what I've seen around here grass fed/fully-free range (free range may mean as little as tiny doggie door to a small outdoor area) chicken live in moveable cages on grassy turf. The chickens eat whatever bugs/seeds/dirt/leaves they like on that turf. The cage is moved every day so they don't stand in their crap and can find new bugs/seeds.

rideaz 12-06-13 05:27 PM


tetonrider 12-06-13 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Boy (Post 16306787)
Quote:

Originally Posted by tetonrider
'grass-fed' has become so trendy nowadays

Rightfully so. I think for years we've not known any better. I nicely marbled grass-fed steak tastes delicious, why wouldn't you want that over a more expensive, somewhat tougher/leaner counterpart? Well, in the last several years it's become very apparent that there were genuine health advantages of a naturally raised animal. The truth is that 'grain-fed' is the newbie. It became ubiquitous in the early 70's with the advent of corn subsidies. Like so many 'new and improved' things, we ate them because we were ignorant and believed the governmental advice (Crisco, margarine, corn oils, etc.).

For the record, when I say grass-fed, I mean that the only thing the animal has eaten is grass from a pasture when available and dried hay when the grass wasn't available.

you cut out a key part of what i was saying. i agree with you that grass-fed is something people should look for. the problem is that when meat gets packaged for the consumer 'grass-fed' does not guarantee much more than 'consumed grass at some point or another during its life.'

companies have figured out that grass-fed is trendy, but it is often a euphemism for 'grass-fed, grain-finished', where the 'grain-finished' bit is where all the weight gain came from (i.e., the cattle fed on grass until they were sold, and then the purchaser fed them grain). we see that here where some of the local ranches sell to buyers who do just this.

it's tricky to get purely grass-fed beef, i find.

"grass-fed" just isn't much more than a buzz-word with no currently enforced standard.

mike868y.... now we get into the 'free-range' buzz-word. :)

Fat Boy 12-06-13 07:27 PM

You're right. Buy the stuff that is grass-fed/grass-finished. Better yet, buy the stuff from a local farmer that you pick up from the farm.

Ygduf 12-07-13 09:37 AM

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Ygduf 12-07-13 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tetonrider (Post 16308249)
"grass-fed" just isn't much more than a buzz-word with no currently enforced standard.

mike868y.... now we get into the 'free-range' buzz-word. :)

we get our meat from a beef/chicken/vegetable CSA that gives tours of the farms, if you care to trek out there. They rotate their animals from pasture to pasture and and backfill the pastures with crops when the soil is suitable again.

not at all cheap, but the end result is that we get quality food (though their veggie prices are ****ing ludicris imo) and eat less meat.

When we drive to San Diego we go down 5 through the central valley and pass several factory beef farms. They are so gross. I like meat, but not enough to support that nastiness.

topflightpro 12-09-13 07:21 AM

My wife is going to make me Protein Cookies tonight.

Essentially, they are Nestle Tollhouse Cookies, but she will be replacing the flour with protein powder. The recommended ratio is 2/3 cup protein powder for every 1 cup of flour. I'll let you know how they turn out.

mike868y 12-10-13 11:00 AM

eggs and kale keep me full a lot longer than oatmeal in the morning (granted, the carbs from oatmeal are probably good before a long ride, but on non riding/easy days I'm going to start skipping oatmeal).

thechemist 12-10-13 11:24 AM

Best way to get alone time at work? Eat sardines!

Ygduf 12-10-13 12:28 PM

being full is for the weak and the fat.

I'm cold all the time and I never eat. That's how I know it's working.

Fat Boy 12-10-13 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mike868y (Post 16317804)
eggs and kale keep me full a lot longer than oatmeal in the morning (granted, the carbs from oatmeal are probably good before a long ride, but on non riding/easy days I'm going to start skipping oatmeal).

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Originally Posted by thechemist (Post 16317885)
Best way to get alone time at work? Eat sardines!

+1 on both.

bikepro 12-10-13 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rkwaki (Post 16307249)
Whole Foods carried grass fed in our area.

You're correct -- chickens don't normally eat grass, but they do eat just about anything they can catch, assuming they are free range. They are typically fed gains, which is a normal diet for chickens.

gsteinb 12-11-13 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bikepro (Post 16320022)
You're correct -- chickens don't normally eat grass, but they do eat just about anything they can catch, assuming they are free range. They are typically fed gains, which is a normal diet for chickens.

Voila! My dog is a chicken!!

revchuck 12-11-13 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by gsteinb (Post 16320225)
Voila! My dog is a chicken!!

So, you're going to marinate your mutt?

topflightpro 12-11-13 06:46 AM

So, the protein cookies are OK.

The vanilla flavoring in the protein powder is definitely noticeable in the cookies - though the more chocolate chips in the cookie the better. And the cookies are very airy and chewy; they stick together well. The cookies also expanded a lot during cooking.

Lastly, I can tell the protein hasn't cooked out of the cookies because after eating a couple, I got the standard protein farts afterward.

rkwaki 12-11-13 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by topflightpro (Post 16320333)
So, the protein cookies are OK.

The vanilla flavoring in the protein powder is definitely noticeable in the cookies - though the more chocolate chips in the cookie the better. And the cookies are very airy and chewy; they stick together well. The cookies also expanded a lot during cooking.

Lastly, I can tell the protein hasn't cooked out of the cookies because after eating a couple, I got the standard protein farts afterward.

I just wanted to point out that for the first time in a while i did not start the fart talk...
Now that tfp did...
I tore one out at the gym this morning doing rack pulls..
Thank goodness the lady that was beside is a friend of my wife...
Even more important is thank goodness I pinched it off before making a mess...

Dave Cutter 12-11-13 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bikepro (Post 16320022)
You're correct -- chickens don't normally eat grass, but they do eat just about anything they can catch, assuming they are free range. They are typically fed gains, which is a normal diet for chickens.

Bugs. Birds eat bugs. Chickens... the same as other birds also eat seeds. Grassy areas have plants that produce seeds as well as seeds that blow in with the wind. But mostly the grassy areas are rich in insect life that birds thrive on.

Commercial chicken feed is mostly grain/CORN based.... but it is also fortified with dried meat waste products and calcium (bone and egg shell). There are benefits with the controlled meat by products (used in commercial feeds) as opposed to random insect populations (consumed by range fed). The guts and other such meat by products harvested for feed from monitored slaughter facilities does NOT contain insect venom, disease, and filth.


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