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Old 01-10-14, 08:54 PM   #1276
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Grats fudgy. Losing any more fat out of those toes is pretty much tapped out.

One thing I've found that helps me with my weight loss is to always have the belt cinched 1 notch too tight. The tighter it is, the fatter you feel.
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Old 01-10-14, 09:13 PM   #1277
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my toes are pretty ugly, all hammer toes and whatnot. And the big purple spot is from dropping my phone on my toe about two weeks ago.

Not sickness induced, [MENTION=197606]Creatre[/MENTION] , just finally got my **** together in re: eating enough for long enough to get skinny. Had crept up to 185 over the years. Am now fixing that (and aiming for new goals) and increasing the ratio by shrinking the denominator.
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Old 01-10-14, 09:54 PM   #1278
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Night sweats and swollen lymph nodes counts as sickness... or was that someone else?
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Old 01-11-14, 02:19 PM   #1279
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my toes are pretty ugly, all hammer toes and whatnot. And the big purple spot is from dropping my phone on my toe about two weeks ago.

Not sickness induced, @Creatre , just finally got my **** together in re: eating enough for long enough to get skinny. Had crept up to 185 over the years. Am now fixing that (and aiming for new goals) and increasing the ratio by shrinking the denominator.
I think you left some of your extra lbs in AZ...I found them! Please take them back! The holidays were not kind to me!
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THose are the ugliest ****ing feet I have ever scene.....
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Old 01-13-14, 12:58 PM   #1281
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THose are the ugliest ****ing feet I have ever scene.....
My feet are my biggest concern in re p12 road races. They work as well as they look good.
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Old 01-13-14, 01:36 PM   #1282
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my toes are pretty ugly, all hammer toes and whatnot. And the big purple spot is from dropping my phone on my toe about two weeks ago.

Not sickness induced, @Creatre , just finally got my **** together in re: eating enough for long enough to get skinny. Had crept up to 185 over the years. Am now fixing that (and aiming for new goals) and increasing the ratio by shrinking the denominator.

Is that supposed to say 'not eating enough for long enough'?

What was your basic strategy?
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Old 01-13-14, 01:48 PM   #1283
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Is that supposed to say 'not eating enough for long enough'?

What was your basic strategy?
both, eating less and eating more.

strategy was just to do a food log (myfitnesspal) and to stick to the daily goals as best I could, aiming for 1-1.5lbs/week. I found I was undereating on hard ride days and consequently being more hungry and overeating on rest days. Being conscious of it helped even out the cravings, and not weighing myself and just trusting that it would eventually work let me just get into a routine.

I used to be 270lbs, and even though I'd long ago lost the weight, I have some food control issues that were getting the better of me. tracking everything (everything!) has helped me overcome most of that. Maybe it's a new eating disorder in it's own right, but it's healthier than my last one.
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Yeah I'm sort of in the same boat. I used to weigh 265 lbs, lost most of it 5+ years ago, but have never stayed committed to losing the last 25 to get down to 170. I've done the food log thing, but I find that when I do that I'm constantly thinking about my calorie count and what I can eat the rest of the day. It's a hard thing for me to keep up for months at a time.

Right now my basic strategy has been to try to eliminate excessive sugars, which seems to have evened out my hunger signals (ie. I don't get ravenously hungry by 11:00), and just trying to be a little hungry for most of the day. So far I think it's a workable strategy for the long-term. If I can lose 1 lb a week, I'll be in good shape by June-ish.
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Old 01-13-14, 03:38 PM   #1285
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Yeah I'm sort of in the same boat. I used to weigh 265 lbs, lost most of it 5+ years ago, but have never stayed committed to losing the last 25 to get down to 170. I've done the food log thing, but I find that when I do that I'm constantly thinking about my calorie count and what I can eat the rest of the day. It's a hard thing for me to keep up for months at a time.

Right now my basic strategy has been to try to eliminate excessive sugars, which seems to have evened out my hunger signals (ie. I don't get ravenously hungry by 11:00), and just trying to be a little hungry for most of the day. So far I think it's a workable strategy for the long-term. If I can lose 1 lb a week, I'll be in good shape by June-ish.
Definitely easier said than done. I am pretty obsessed about my calories all day long with the logging, but I was before too. If this is what I have to live with to be healthier, so be it. It might be easy for some people but I'm 34 years old now and have never had an easy or healthy relationship with food. If I just fake it this way for another 50-60 years I can die and quit worrying about it.

I've cut out most all the sugar and have tended toward low-carb without being strictly low carb. I'm just filling my allotment with stuff I like, which has lots of brussels sprouts, yogurt, cottage cheese, protein shakes, salads, etc. High volume-low calorie things so I feel like I'm eating more and still staying within the numbers.

Staying away from sugar also helps with the blood-sugar spike/crash cycle I fall into. The couple of times I've had something sugary, the craving still come back. If I avoid it, I don't have to fight them.
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Old 01-13-14, 04:15 PM   #1286
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Yeah I'm sort of in the same boat. I used to weigh 265 lbs, lost most of it 5+ years ago, but have never stayed committed to losing the last 25 to get down to 170. I've done the food log thing, but I find that when I do that I'm constantly thinking about my calorie count and what I can eat the rest of the day. It's a hard thing for me to keep up for months at a time.

Right now my basic strategy has been to try to eliminate excessive sugars, which seems to have evened out my hunger signals (ie. I don't get ravenously hungry by 11:00), and just trying to be a little hungry for most of the day. So far I think it's a workable strategy for the long-term. If I can lose 1 lb a week, I'll be in good shape by June-ish.
My experience has been if you are craving sugars or something sugary then your body is actually looking for protein.
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Old 01-13-14, 04:18 PM   #1287
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My experience has been if you are craving sugars or something sugary then your body is actually looking for protein.

some of us just have wacky insulin responses from lunches of liters of Hawaiian Punch and Pull-n-Peel twizzlers by the lb. for years.
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Old 01-13-14, 04:27 PM   #1288
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Interesting read if you're feeling geeky. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22215165

In short. 3 groups were fed low(5%), moderate(15%) or high(25%) protein diets with ~950 calories over baseline each day. At the end of 8 weeks, all the groups gained about the same amount of fat, but the 2 higher protein groups gained a lot more muscle. The highest protein group gained the most muscle (and total weight), while the low protein group actually lost a bit of muscle mass and gained the least amount of total weight. You might be able to say that the total fat gain was a function of the excess calories, but the increase in muscle mass was a function of the protein intake. Couple that protein intake with a maintenance level of calories plus some weight work and I bet you'd see some pretty good muscle gains with very little additional body fat.
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Old 01-13-14, 04:51 PM   #1289
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My experience has been if you are craving sugars or something sugary then your body is actually looking for protein.
Yeah, I don't get cravings for it so much as it just messed with my hunger response later in the day.

I was struggling with breakfast options since learning that I'm celiac and also mildly allergic to eggs (I know....FML, right?) so I had basically been eating koala crisp with sweetened almond milk every morning. I would literally feel like my stomach was eating itself from hunger by 11:00. When I finally added it up, I realized I was starting my day out with 55g of sugar. So no wonder I felt that way.

Now I eat muselli with 1 cup of 0% unsweetend Greek Yogurt and ~2/3 cup of gluten-free rolled oats with a bunch of cinnamon and some stevia (I need a little sweet). All told this is about 9g of sugar. So between the drastic sugar reduction and the additional protein I'm finding that I'm not riding the hunger roller coaster so much. I'll feel hungry at 11:00, but it's way more manageable. Also, my energy levels are a lot more constant. All told, I just feel better Now I just need to keep riding it and hope it takes me down to 170.
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I had to fast for 12 hours before a medical test this morning, probably one of the worst things I've done in a long time. I woke up starving at 6 and knew I couldn't eat for another 5 hours. Brutal. I would rather repeat any kind of interval all day than do that again
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Old 01-13-14, 05:19 PM   #1291
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I had to fast for 12 hours before a medical test this morning, probably one of the worst things I've done in a long time. I woke up starving at 6 and knew I couldn't eat for another 5 hours. Brutal. I would rather repeat any kind of interval all day than do that again
In my mind, this hints at some insulin regulation issues and a diet too heavily reliant on carbs. If your body is used to accessing fat for energy, you don't get really serious hunger. You'll feel like you want to eat something, but you won't get that gnawing, 'HANGRY' feeling. Really, you should be able to go 14-18 hours every once in a while and have it be no big deal. That basically means have a normal dinner, skip the next day's breakfast and then have a normal lunch.

If this is a real problem for you, then my opinion is that you may benefit from shifting your diet away from carbs and more towards fats and proteins.
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In my mind, this hints at some insulin regulation issues and a diet too heavily reliant on carbs. If your body is used to accessing fat for energy, you don't get really serious hunger. You'll feel like you want to eat something, but you won't get that gnawing, 'HANGRY' feeling. Really, you should be able to go 14-18 hours every once in a while and have it be no big deal. That basically means have a normal dinner, skip the next day's breakfast and then have a normal lunch.

If this is a real problem for you, then my opinion is that you may benefit from shifting your diet away from carbs and more towards fats and proteins.
Thanks for the insight. My macro breakdown is pretty good, I would say it's probably due to the 4000 kcal rides on both Saturday and Sunday
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Thanks for the insight. My macro breakdown is pretty good, I would say it's probably due to the 4000 kcal rides on both Saturday and Sunday
That does throw a _big_ wildcard in the mix.
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I'm using this as my weight watch list thingy

happens every time i get sick: 165 lbs. Major water retention. I was down to 160 after my one hour ride with tempo work. I hate getting sick.

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I have no idea what I weigh right now. If I was to guess, I would say 160lbs, which is fat for me (5'9" w long legs). Race weight is <or= 150.

I was barely riding in Nov and Dec due to some knee issues I had. I'm back up to 12hrs now, but I still have a little extra fat, plus some upper body muscle from the workouts I started doing.
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I have no idea what I weigh right now. If I was to guess, I would say 160lbs, which is fat for me (5'9" w long legs). Race weight is <or= 150.

I was barely riding in Nov and Dec due to some knee issues I had. I'm back up to 12hrs now, but I still have a little extra fat, plus some upper body muscle from the workouts I started doing.
eat a pie, would ya? I'm 174 cm (5'8.5") and race weight rarely go below 68 kg. i think I climb okay for a cat-3.
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hahaha thanks for making me feel good about myself.

on that note, its time to eat! just finished my 3hr ride.
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anyone have a few more good fat source suggestions?
sardines,eggs,milk, coconut oil,avacado(occasionally), olive oil, peanut butter are pretty much what I am running with at the moment.

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I have stalled as well on my weight loss, its just harder getting those last few pounds. My theory is, even though our weight goal may be x, we are happy with y and the motivation to eat right flutters.
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anyone have a few more good fat source suggestions?
sardines,eggs,milk, coconut oil,avacado(occasionally), olive oil, peanut butter are pretty much what I am running with at the moment.
That's a pretty good start. Other than the specifics you mentioned, but many fish including salmon/tuna/trout, etc not just sardines. And same for peanut butter, anything in the nut family basically, almonds, walnuts, flaxseed, etc.
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