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    fuggitivo solitario echappist's Avatar
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    i thinking we are wading into semantics land

    under-rest for extended period of time, and you'll be going into overtraining land

    overreach for extended period of time, and you'll be going into overtraining land

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsutkeepspining View Post
    now my lack of overtraining/burn-out could just be that im a stupid 17 year old punk who doesn't follow the same rules as the adults on this forum.
    This.
    I can't imagine being over-trained back when I was 17. Now that I'm over the hill, it is quite easy to imagine (and achieve).
    Oh, and you're not stupid, you're just less smart.

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    This was the one area that having power truly helped me. On what I would have normally deemed a recovery ride I was still putting out too much (hehehe).
    It wasn't until I actually rode recovery rides with an AP of 95 watts that I started to feel refreshed and stronger. It taught me that there is a real reason to have a small ring
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    fuggitivo solitario echappist's Avatar
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    you and your backdoor brags...

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    Quote Originally Posted by echappist View Post
    you and your backdoor brags...
    I will edit, wasn't a brag. That's for jsut...
    "if you ride it the way it's meant to be ridden there's no way any wife is less of a ***** than a bicycle." - gstein

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    One of the things I noticed when I upped my training load last off season was that much more of it was at a low power, Z1/Z2 effort. The time@intensity increased also, but as a percentage a lot more was in recovery land. I also started training smarter and periodizing with the TP virtual coach.

    JSut - Being 17 helps a lot. As you get older, it takes longer to recover. Enjoy it now, and take advantage!

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    but seriously, so many people go on 150 watt recovery days. no reason to do that. target .3 IF and just psiun for an hour. Instant freshness with ensure
    cat 1-o-meter: wtf am i doing??????
    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    You're not dumb. You're just less smart.

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    How it happens -

    Maybe you get your heart rate zones wrong. Say, 10bpm too high (because you like to go hard and actual endurance feels like noodling). So day after day, you're riding z2 much harder than you should.

    Over time, what you may find happens is that your HR is less responsive. You dig this though, because you tell yourself this means you're more fit, which is why you simply can't spike your bpm when going what feels like a hard pace. So you ride even harder, because your HR is lower than it used to be when you go hard. Maybe sometimes you murder stomp up a hill just because, and your HR never goes above tempo when you're doing it so you're convinced it's just you being all cut and swole.

    Damn son, it's 3 months later and you're flying. You're doing like 22mph all damn day in your z2 (remember, this is your fantasy world z2 and your HR isn't responsive to anything but nuclear warfare at this point). You're an unstoppable invincible killing machine. You enter a race. You're going to crush it, for sure. Mofowkas don't know about pain until you show up.

    Except that someone accelerates for like 10 seconds, and you can't follow it, and it takes like 3 days to recover from it.

    OR, maybe you're still just in training mode, except that one day you go and ride for like 5 hours going way too hard, and wind up really sleepy, and then go to ride again like usual the next day and find that your HR won't go above like 140, so you just go as hard as you can the whole day cuz you're like "pfffft, i'm fine, I'm awesome", and then you do this multiple days in a row until you're so tired that like 1.5hrs wears you out and you simply can't understand why because you've been like, training awesome and 2 weeks prior were doing gajillion watt endurance rides.

    It happens, and it's easy to fall into, and the cure is generally staying away from the bike for like a couple of weeks, starting again slowly, and implementing some common sense into your training.

    Edit: Also, this is wildly different than overreaching, in both the way it feels and in practice.
    Masochism is a training adaptation.

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