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Old 03-18-13, 08:53 AM   #26
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To engage in a one on one robotic slowmotion style combat, usually between two good friends, or sometimes to use to capture the honor of an oponent.
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I still support the way it was for me when I was younger. Difficult to get as your points came against racing with other 1s of which there weren't very many (think of guys like Brian Walton, Eric Wohlberg, Michael Barry, Gord Fraser). Once you got there you had to continue to produce results or you would get downgraded to a 2 and could never be downgraded past a 2.
I feel that as it is an Elite license it should be kept there to a select group,
Gord Fraser raced the M45+ in Tucson this past weekend. He was penalized 30" for not signing in Saturday and lost the yellow, but got it back in the CR Sunday by attacking until he made it stick.
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Gord Fraser raced the M45+ in Tucson this past weekend. He was penalized 30" for not signing in Saturday and lost the yellow, but got it back in the CR Sunday by attacking until he made it stick.
Gordie is a beast...
I guess his palmare already told everyone that
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Yes.. a teammate started in front of him in the TT, and his goal was merely to stave off the inevitable for as long as he could.
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Yes.. a teammate started in front of him in the TT, and his goal was merely to stave off the inevitable for as long as he could.
my team mate finished 2nd in the 35+, he's an AZ native.
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My version of this thread would be how long did it take for you go from 3->2?

i have a feeling it will be infinity in my case
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A little further on this (directed at Matt).
Just wondering why you are asking the question? I believe I know why and can only recommend to be patient, continue to learn, grow, progress, etc and the time will come. As someone else mentioned there really aren't any huge advantages unless you want to focus on NRC/NCC level races and to be honest that is going to be dominated by pros or those on elite teams.
Don't put too much pressure on yourself to try and force something, that's when bad things happen.
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1. Composed of two usually like or complementary parts; double: dual controls for pilot and copilot; a car with dual exhaust pipes.
2. Having a double character or purpose: a belief in the dual nature of reality.
3. Grammar Of, relating to, or being a number category that indicates two persons or things, as in Greek, Sanskrit, and Old English


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A little further on this (directed at Matt).
Just wondering why you are asking the question? I believe I know why and can only recommend to be patient, continue to learn, grow, progress, etc and the time will come. As someone else mentioned there really aren't any huge advantages unless you want to focus on NRC/NCC level races and to be honest that is going to be dominated by pros or those on elite teams.
Don't put too much pressure on yourself to try and force something, that's when bad things happen.
I asked partially out of curiosity, partially out of boredom; not to worry, I'm not in a hurry.

My theory was that some guys arrive in the 2's and fly through to the 1's and beyond, others hit kind of a wall. So if you're not getting to cat 1 in a season, it will probably be 3-5 years, if ever, that you make it.

I think I'm squarely in the latter category fwiw - which is ok. Like you said yes the time will come, and I am patient.
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I asked partially out of curiosity, partially out of boredom; not to worry, I'm not in a hurry.

My theory was that some guys arrive in the 2's and fly through to the 1's and beyond, others hit kind of a wall. So if you're not getting to cat 1 in a season, it will probably be 3-5 years, if ever, that you make it.

I think I'm squarely in the latter category fwiw - which is ok. Like you said yes the time will come, and I am patient.
This will kind of answer your first question.
Those who fly through the cats are usually destined to do so and often comes from momentum. I broke my ankle riding motocross at 17 (late April i think), the only thing I could do was ride a bicycle for a summer (I ended up being laid up for 12 weeks). When I finally had my cast taken off I decided I wanted to go fast so my parents got me a road bike. Shortly thereafter I jumped into my first race and got my ass handed to me. Based on my personality that was never going to feel like that again.
The following year was my first year of racing and was a Cat 1 by the end of it.
What is important to understand is that I started as a competitive hockey player around 5 and was on the ice 5-6 days a week. I was also a competitive alpine skiier and when not at the rink I was on the slopes. Combine those two and I had developed great leg power and aerobic/anaerobic abilities. I also had some good genetics to go along with it (I had a V02 Max in excess of 70 by 17 as I was tested in high school). Throw in there some exceptional coaching and amazing teammates and things progress quickly.
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It's going to be quicker now since the rule change, but it will never get any easier. I am about 1/3 of the way, but I don't think I'll ever get there.
What rule change, exactly? I looked at the upgrade requirements and didn't see anything different from last year.
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What rule change, exactly? I looked at the upgrade requirements and didn't see anything different from last year.
Points don't expire after 12 months anymore.
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2.5 seasons for me.
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I left the juniors as a 2 back in '89 and then upgraded to 1 after a season or two.
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I left the juniors as a 2 back in '89 and then upgraded to 1 after a season or two.

is you me?
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No he's faster...
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fffffuuuuuuu. i had a fast set of 20 minute intervals today.....
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fffffuuuuuuu. i had a fast set of 20 minute intervals today.....
How many 20 minute intervals can you do in one set?
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Oh crap, was I like you 24 years ago? Damn Juniors!
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About a month and a half for me. I was nervous to move up to P/1/2 when I upgraded to Cat 2, but it turned out OK.
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2 years, back in the 90's

Avg cat2's would need to double their mileage and triple their race starts.
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Not many 1's here but the few of you that are around, how long did it take?

(in terms of races or years or whatever)
finally, I can add my own datapoint: took about two years to go from 2->1.

all of the upgrade points came in the last six months of that two year period.

looking forward to doing san dimas p/1, and some of the ncc races down south! maybe eventually cascade p/1 but that's a bit climby.. and nationals of course.. will be fun just to say I was there.
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