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    Your edit (and the link) do show how lighting can be used to create separation from the 'negative space', as it is sometimes called. Your 1/80th shot is of course another way of doing it. Separation is a huge factor. In my UW work, I always tried to keep in mind 4 "S's": Subject, Sharpness (not so easy underwater), Separation and Surroundings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post


    Ok, I won't use your crappy pictures any more
    why are you laughing ? my picture was good and you made it look horrible.

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    whoosh

    That's what I get for treating this like a photography forum. My bad.

    Did you not want a critique? Getting a bunch of seemingly out-in-left-field ideas for things like photographs and bike race reports from people experienced in that area can be productive.

    "Good" is in the eye of the beholder. The photo is good from a technical standpoint. Properly exposed (a little clipped), in focus, and composition is fine. Note that this can be accomplished with most phone cameras in bright light.

    I'm suggesting that next time you could do more with light and implied motion and grow a bit in the hobby.
    Last edited by waterrockets; 06-12-13 at 08:49 AM.

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    **** all y'all I can take awesome nudie pictures with this...

    unnamed.jpg

    You want seperation? Look at my guads...
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    Polaroid is safer, depending on how edgy your subject matter is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    Polaroid is safer, depending on how edgy your subject matter is.
    Is it waterproof?
    Things can get messy you know...
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    No, but if you bring a couple spares...

    They aren't too expensive

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    I guess the stupid smiley doesn't work all by itself..


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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    whoosh

    That's what I get for treating this like a photography forum. My bad.

    Did you not want a critique? Getting a bunch of seemingly out-in-left-field ideas for things like photographs and bike race reports from people experienced in that area can be productive.

    "Good" is in the eye of the beholder. The photo is good from a technical standpoint. Properly exposed (a little clipped), in focus, and composition is fine. Note that this can be accomplished with most phone cameras in bright light.

    I'm suggesting that next time you could do more with light and implied motion and grow a bit in the hobby.
    I'm more than happy to get critique. I just prefer its from someone who knows what they are talking about. Are you fast on a bicycle ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angio Graham View Post
    I'm more than happy to get critique. I just prefer its from someone who knows what they are talking about. Are you fast on a bicycle ?
    I'm sorry you got offended when I offered an opinion to your photos where you managed to make a DSLR capture images like a phone camera .

    We cool now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    I'm sorry you got offended when I offered an opinion to your photos where you managed to make a DSLR capture images like a phone camera .

    We cool now?


    And you never answered his question...
    Should I send him some of your low lighting work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthalpic View Post
    Photo editing annoys me - photographs should be accurate representations of the real thing. If there was blinding sun in the background the photo should show that. The worst I've seen was on here from some Texan who wanted to make everything related to Lance glow... wonder if he still does that.
    You have to be careful with this. Your eye has its own limitations and light response which is quite nonlinear. Cameras capture light linearly. So... many edits (including HDR) could be argued to bring the photo to what is actually observed.
    I'm sure when you were getting to the point of blowing nothing was obvious but making the pain stop...I don't know about you but after the fact I always look back at those moments and think 'why didn't I just keep going' but at the time there wasn't enough oxygen on the planet to make me take one more pedal stroke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post


    And you never answered his question...
    Should I send him some of your low lighting work?
    keep your pants on (taken on a moonless night, outdoors, one flash with three handheld pops, single exposure)



    Quote Originally Posted by johnybutts View Post
    You have to be careful with this. Your eye has its own limitations and light response which is quite nonlinear. Cameras capture light linearly. So... many edits (including HDR) could be argued to bring the photo to what is actually observed.
    This true for exposure and white balance. It's amazing how we see correct color in some of the screwed up light we find ourselves. Truly, every digital image is "edited" in some form, just to get it off the sensor with the Bayer filter interpolation -- what is captured is not a quality image in its initial digital form.

    That said, the kind of editing done in the race above is not how I handle my own images - it really was just to demonstrate a lighting possibility. In my own editing, I rarely move a pixel, sometimes I'll roll a gradient across a wide shot to even the lighting out a bit -- especially for outdoor team portraits. For sports photography especially, I just hone the contrast a bit, sharpen things, get the WB looking right, and crop it if needed. I shot a swim team last week, individual action shots, and I'm finally getting to where a significant number of straight-on fly and breaststroke (easy rk, easy) shots don't need any cropping. It's taken me a while to get to that point. Came home with ~1500 keepers in the four-hour shoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    I'm sorry you got offended when I offered an opinion to your photos where you managed to make a DSLR capture images like a phone camera .

    We cool now?
    I guess opinions are like most of the pictures you take.

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    clever


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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    This true for exposure and white balance. It's amazing how we see correct color in some of the screwed up light we find ourselves. Truly, every digital image is "edited" in some form, just to get it off the sensor with the Bayer filter interpolation -- what is captured is not a quality image in its initial digital form.
    I would argue "correct color" is quite the falacy. There's quite a range of cone responses (genetically determined in almost all instances) The "average" human cone response.



    Cameras, with their CCD's built from? silica, have their own color responses, which are typically heavily weighted to IR.


    Then there's the spatial disparity in human vision. Each cone is not weighted equally in space. Hence the fovea and reduced discriminability in your peripheral vision and blind spots.


    Then there's intensity normalization (HDR replicates this to a degree) performed cell-by-cell and in small networks of rods and cones, which can't easily be replicated in consumer devices.

    So much more. I spent a few years studying vision (from the brain's perspective, not the eye's). I'm not saying there's a right and wrong way to any photography methods/elements, just that I wouldn't think about photos as capturing a scene as a person's eye would.
    I'm sure when you were getting to the point of blowing nothing was obvious but making the pain stop...I don't know about you but after the fact I always look back at those moments and think 'why didn't I just keep going' but at the time there wasn't enough oxygen on the planet to make me take one more pedal stroke.

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    I'm out gunned here now...

    I'll just talk about farting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnybutts View Post
    I would argue "correct color" is quite the falacy. There's quite a range of cone responses (genetically determined in almost all instances) The "average" human cone response.



    Cameras, with their CCD's built from? silica, have their own color responses, which are typically heavily weighted to IR.


    Then there's the spatial disparity in human vision. Each cone is not weighted equally in space. Hence the fovea and reduced discriminability in your peripheral vision and blind spots.


    Then there's intensity normalization (HDR replicates this to a degree) performed cell-by-cell and in small networks of rods and cones, which can't easily be replicated in consumer devices.

    So much more. I spent a few years studying vision (from the brain's perspective, not the eye's). I'm not saying there's a right and wrong way to any photography methods/elements, just that I wouldn't think about photos as capturing a scene as a person's eye would.
    True. much more color "normalization" than correction.

    Cool info above

    <edit - added quote>
    Last edited by waterrockets; 06-12-13 at 02:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angio Graham View Post
    I guess opinions are like most of the pictures you take.
    calm down.
    Attack in the feeling because it says I'll win absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    Cool info above
    Yes, it's useful to know that waki will only contribute comments about flatulence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    Yes, it's useful to know that waki will only contribute comments about flatulence.
    It's because I'm usually the Star and people are taking pictures of ME, not me of them...
    It's all about perspective...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    Yes, it's useful to know that waki will only contribute comments about flatulence.
    knowing is half the battle... editing that for clarity (written on my phone, so a really delayed response for some reason)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandro View Post
    calm down.
    grow up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angio Graham View Post
    why are you laughing ? my picture was good and you made it look horrible.
    ....
    I'm more than happy to get critique. I just prefer its from someone who knows what they are talking about.
    Dude, if you can't see why the edited picture looks better, you need a lot of work.

    And FWIW, I'm not a professional photographer, but I've won a number of contests, sold photographs for publication, and have photos in a number of magazines, newspapers, and Corporate publications.
    You could fall off a cliff and die.
    You could get lost and die.
    You could hit a tree and die.
    OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angio Graham View Post
    grow up

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