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    I can build something just as good, only cheaper.

    Er, no I can't.

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    There's a lot of wierd and false economy in this sport. People will blow $2k on a wheelset without blinking yet scrimp on the best training tool out there or have heartburn over paying a coach less than that for a year.

    (shrug)

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    I refuse to spend more than $1000 on wheels, but i'll willingly shell out $1900 for a Duracci SRM.

    People often forget that at 25mph, an aero set of wheels may savr you 10W compared to a set of 24/28 30mm Kinlin rims. With proper training, my ftp has went up 60W in three years.

    More than anything, i'm just a bit miffed that i didnt buy RX's srm when he was selling it back in April

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    I'm not adverse to purchasing used stuff, but I do have to admit that this bike is intended (and has been) as my wife says "the last bike of your life", and as such I hate to second guess myself on buying something when I will wish I had gotten the newer incarnate within a month. So that being said, would a new quarq Elsa for about $1400 be a good buy? I'll be pairing it with a Garmin 500

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    Robby: buy a used SRM, thank me later.

    Agreed on training vs power meters... several of my teammates have spent 2K on wheels, but thing that my having a coach is wasting money... "to each their own"
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    If it comes down to a field sprint, you probably won't win, so don't let it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hida Yanra View Post
    Robby: buy a used SRM, thank me later
    That would be my take. I might do a Quarq for $400 but $1400? You're going to be stuck with a crappy SRAM crankset trying to shim it to get it to work in the Trek BB. Buy 7800-79-9000 Dura Ace SRM and you get a stiffer crank that will slam right in and won't sideload the crank bearings. Aside from being a better power meter, it's a better crank as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbyville View Post
    I'm not adverse to purchasing used stuff, but I do have to admit that this bike is intended (and has been) as my wife says "the last bike of your life", and as such I hate to second guess myself on buying something when I will wish I had gotten the newer incarnate within a month. So that being said, would a new quarq Elsa for about $1400 be a good buy? I'll be pairing it with a Garmin 500
    robby--send me a PM to see if I can help you with an SRM. regardless, i'd be happy to talk with you about power meters in general (new vs. used, plus the various manufacturers and models).

    if i can help you in any way, i will.

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    another vote for the SRM. There are some units out there that's probably 20+ years old and still functioning. A friend has a unit going back to the PC-IV days. When it comes to dependability and accuracy, there's no one better. I got soaked in a driving storm this past Monday, and the offset (think of what a scale reads when nothing is on it) reads 396. the next morning, i check the offset when the unit is totally dry and it reads 392; essentially a difference of 2W; the day before, it read 398; basically, very stable. OTOH, my quarq drifted the equivalence of 10 Watts within the span of 25 minutes, and it was raining the whole time (as opposed to going from wet to dry or vice versa). No idea how much it would have drifted if i went for 60 minutes. My unit was good enough in the sense that i had issues only in the wet, whereas others had worse issues (drift of 20-30 W) in dry conditions.

    If there's one PM that you can be sure it'll be there whether or not you are still riding 10-15 years down the road, it's a SRM.

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    Thanks so much guys, you've offered a ton of food for thought. Most certainly a resounding,"Save for the SRM you won't be sorry", which is what I'll do! I definitely had no idea that there were so many variables.

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    well - as it turns out, I think all of us here (even RX, with an ergomo?) have purchased non-SRM units.
    I believe you've noticed the hindsight opinions of those decisions.

    <edit> Also, used SRMs are rock-solid, and wireless ones run in the 1500ish range, wired for $500. </edit>
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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    If it comes down to a field sprint, you probably won't win, so don't let it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hida Yanra View Post
    well - as it turns out, I think all of us here (even RX, with an ergomo?) have purchased non-SRM units.
    I believe you've noticed the hindsight opinions of those decisions.

    <edit> Also, used SRMs are rock-solid, and wireless ones run in the 1500ish range, wired for $500. </edit>
    For some reason I thought of a tweet by jani brajkovic when I read this. "I think we need to bring the wire back. With all this signal interference, powermeter data becomes useless."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate552 View Post
    For some reason I thought of a tweet by jani brajkovic when I read this. "I think we need to bring the wire back. With all this signal interference, powermeter data becomes useless."
    heh, I remember that tweet. Pinotti also has tweeted stuff like that recently.
    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    If it comes down to a field sprint, you probably won't win, so don't let it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hida Yanra View Post
    well - as it turns out, I think all of us here (even RX, with an ergomo?) have purchased non-SRM units.
    Yep, I had two Ergomo's. Also set up and seen a lot of data from both Powertaps and Quarqs. Reviewed comparative data and designs from all the current offerings. To paraphrase the commercial, I could choose any powermeter I want...

    And I choose iBike.

    Bahahahahahahahahahhaaaaaaa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    And I choose iBike.

    Bahahahahahahahahahhaaaaaaa.


    delivery is presently "late july" for SRM's DA 9000 units. i believe they had a substantial ramp-up for professional teams and for all the pre-orders.

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    not necessarily the right place for it since this is a 9000 question and I don't think they have one yet but DC rainmaker has a follow up review on Stages

    http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ghlight=stages


    And just this week I got an email from them that they are no longer on back order.

    Of course I have a second SRM now...so it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    a follow up review on Stages
    you know, I thought about posting that last night in this thread and decided I'd be a good person and not do it.


    and then G apparently just wants to watch the world burn.... so it goes.
    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    If it comes down to a field sprint, you probably won't win, so don't let it.

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    don't follow. I expect it works fine for most folks and most applications. had I not gotten an srm for nearly the same price I'd most certainly have given it a try for my second bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    don't follow. I expect it works fine for most folks and most applications. had I not gotten an srm for nearly the same price I'd most certainly have given it a try for my second bike.
    thanks I read the follow up review and they do have a 9000 version. Still, after all this you guys have convinced me to save my sheckles and go SRM... but it's gonna take a while. I want to be totally compatible with my current shifting and potentially for DI2 upgrade so I'll save for a new unit.

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    what is a duracci srm?

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    As someone who just bought a Quarq and is already having issues, buy the SRM. I wish my wired set up worked on my new bike. SRM is the way to go

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
    what is a duracci srm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
    what is a duracci srm?
    Eye tie Dura Ace. Very rare. Handcrafted by Fausto Coppi's deaf mute greatgodson in a small village outside of Bilboa in Tuscany. He does three a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbyville View Post
    thanks I read the follow up review and they do have a 9000 version. Still, after all this you guys have convinced me to save my sheckles and go SRM... but it's gonna take a while. I want to be totally compatible with my current shifting and potentially for DI2 upgrade so I'll save for a new unit.
    first power meter I'd totally go SRM. Like I said, I was interested in testing one out as a cheaper option to get power on a training bike. They were back ordered too long and a buddy got me a deal on another SRM that was way too good to pass up.

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    not sure if this is new, but no longer 7800 crank arms on the DA SRM? looks like a special arm made for SRM? says shimano instead of dura ace


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    7900 and 9000 on their web site. Both say dura ace.

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    the one on that trek has a different crankarm than the one on their site

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