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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    I used a grocery bag once.
    I've certainly used less than ideal tools as well, but not at a race, or any sporting event for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spectastic View Post
    So during your warmups, do you just spin and do a couple of sprints for 45 minutes, and show up fresh to the race?
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    I used a grocery bag once.
    good lord

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    Quote Originally Posted by spectastic View Post
    So during your warmups, do you just spin and do a couple of sprints for 45 minutes, and show up fresh to the race?
    Depends on the individual, and the race. Typically Road races need the least warmup, Crits and TT's the most.

    For me, for a crit, I'll spin for 15-30 minutes, working up to a decent endurance effort, then a few minutes at threshold power, and a couple of 30 second all efforts at high cadence. You've got to make youserlf hurt a bit, and recover, in the warm up. Otherwise the first time it hurts in the race is not good.
    You could fall off a cliff and die.
    You could get lost and die.
    You could hit a tree and die.
    OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rankin116 View Post
    I've certainly used less than ideal tools as well, but not at a race, or any sporting event for that matter.
    Yeah, this had nothing to do with racing, and the situation was becoming dire in a hurry. I had a couple bags, a roll of blue shop towels, and full privacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    Depends on the individual, and the race. Typically Road races need the least warmup, Crits and TT's the most.

    For me, for a crit, I'll spin for 15-30 minutes, working up to a decent endurance effort, then a few minutes at threshold power, and a couple of 30 second all efforts at high cadence. You've got to make youserlf hurt a bit, and recover, in the warm up. Otherwise the first time it hurts in the race is not good.
    The best warmup I got before a race was at San Rafael Crit. We rode to the race from SF. We knew we needed a good warmup because our plan was to line up early at the front and sprint/hammer from the ***. Worked like a charm.
    Attack in the feeling because it says I'll win absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandro View Post
    The best warmup I got before a race was at San Rafael Crit. We rode to the race from SF. We knew we needed a good warmup because our plan was to line up early at the front and sprint/hammer from the ***. Worked like a charm.
    Did you win?

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    Re: warmups - the younger you are, it seems like the less warmup you really need. Or maybe it just depends on the person and how fit you are in the first place.

    I can do fine with 0-20 minutes of spinning on the trainer, sometimes it's just rolling around before the crit. 45 minutes on the trainer before a crit sounds like a lot to me.

    It also depends on how loose your legs feel from any efforts the day before I think.

    For an RR, unless there is a substantial climb early in the race, rolling around will suffice.

    For TTs, the warmup is critical.

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    maybe warmups are just objects of personal preference.

    I have lost races with "good" warmups on rollers. I have rolled up to (and won) a TT with <5min warmup time after arriving late. I stayed with a selection at Boonville that went from 40 guys to 5 in the first 5min up a 12% hill. I wish I'd warmed up as it might have hurt less, but it didn't impact power or performance.

    What I did the day before has more impact for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    Did you win?
    No. I said the warmup worked like a charm (no stiffness/sore/able to give it the gas right away). Did a lot of work that day for a teammate, though.
    Attack in the feeling because it says I'll win absolutely.

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    I still try to start one ride every week with a 1' interval out of the driveway. While I can see a peak performance improvement from a good warmup, as well as lower RPE as a result, I am able to lay it down when I need to w/out warmup. I figure it's just disaster prevention, and I've gotten to races late, but still managed to survive attacks from the *** when many others were dropped.

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    that's what I'm saying. IME the warmup helps with RPE, but otherwise hasn't helped/hindered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    that's what I'm saying. IME the warmup helps with RPE, but otherwise hasn't helped/hindered.
    Well, it hasn't hindered enough to be a problem. Maybe try a 1' test out of your driveway, then try one another day after an ideal warmup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    that's what I'm saying. IME the warmup helps with RPE, but otherwise hasn't helped/hindered.
    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    Well, it hasn't hindered enough to be a problem. Maybe try a 1' test out of your driveway, then try one another day after an ideal warmup.
    If I go out and do short intervals, say 1 minute off, and 1 minute on, without just 10-15 minutes of rolling around, my second or third interval is almost alway higher power output, than the first.

    Which leads me to believe, that for me, a good warmup actually increases my power, not just lowering my rpe.
    You could fall off a cliff and die.
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    OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.

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    I've won races with no warm up. For years I just soft pedaled for 45 minutes prior and won. Now I win doing something harder and more directed.

    so, what the hell do I know

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    If I go out and do short intervals, say 1 minute off, and 1 minute on, without just 10-15 minutes of rolling around, my second or third interval is almost alway higher power output, than the first.

    Which leads me to believe, that for me, a good warmup actually increases my power, not just lowering my rpe.
    Yep, that's what I'm asserting. I've actually done some power tests at 5", 1', and 5' with no warmup vs. a good warmup. The warmup does indeed help. The thing is, how often have I had to do a 100% mean maximal power effort in the first five minutes of a race? Never, other than King of Jester (3 minute hill climb of yore). For normal races, I can handle some team trying to fubar everyone in the first couple laps, then I'm warmed up and there's no danger anyway.

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    I've won races after no sleep, but that's doing it wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    I've won races after no sleep, but that's doing it wrong.
    I dunno, I could get superstitious about something like that.

    I do warm up for races. When I've been late to some and haven't been able to, and it's never been a problem.

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