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Ygduf 08-13-14 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by globecanvas (Post 17032907)
I've said it before and I'll say it again. USAC should do what I say!

The USAC upgrade rules don't make much sense. Upgrade points in a road race for 3rd of 5 (40%), or 6th of 11 (45%). But nothing for 8th of 49 (84%) or 10th of 125 (92%).


Why not just make it a percentage? N/5 points for winning a race of N starters, N/5-1 points for finishing 2nd, N/5-2 points for finishing 3rd, etc, until you get down to zero points.

they make no sense at all. 7 points for winning an 11-person RR but only like 4 points for coming in 6th of 100?

Who really cares though. It's silly, but there's no harm or foul. And they allow scrubs like me to work the system to achieve ultimate BF credibility in a year.

Ygduf 08-13-14 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by hack (Post 17032931)
Ha ... was thinking about San Ardo 30-34 when there was just 1 other guy in the mix. Even then I was on the fence because it would be a looooong haul to get down there (4+ hours with an 8AM start time). Now I see there is a Cat 1 and fudgy in the mix, so I'm quickly falling onto the not going side of the fence. I can get my teeth kicked in for free at Coffee Republic. Might do Red Kite instead.

From what I've read, the course is flattish, but high probability of flats?

yes, flattish. yes, lots of flats from thorns. The cat 1... only raced once this year. I hope he's out of shape. Also looks like a crit racer/sprinter, so come help me get rid of him!

hack 08-13-14 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by Ygduf (Post 17033041)
yes, flattish. yes, lots of flats from thorns. The cat 1... only raced once this year. I hope he's out of shape. Also looks like a crit racer/sprinter, so come help me get rid of him!

Shoot...I'm more of a crit guy so all I'd do is sit on your wheel and give him a bigger draft. I have a few more hours to sign up and am still pondering. The other Cat 3 in the race looks to have some decent results. I've got to assume if only 4 sign up they'd combine fields and then "pick separately"?

Ygduf 08-13-14 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by hack (Post 17033064)
Shoot...I'm more of a crit guy so all I'd do is sit on your wheel and give him a bigger draft. I have a few more hours to sign up and am still pondering. The other Cat 3 in the race looks to have some decent results. I've got to assume if only 4 sign up they'd combine fields and then "pick separately"?

I think they line up a 4-man race and say good luck.

If you really wanted to help me out all you do is get in front of the guy and let gaps open and make him chase up. Or when I make my 40-mile TT you sit in and disrupt the chase. That's all. I hope riding a road bike with 90 front/ disk back doesn't give my play away!

indigo 08-13-14 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by hack (Post 17032931)
From what I've read, the course is flattish, but high probability of flats?

Goatheads, tons of them. Friends recommend that you warmup on a trainer and CARRY your bike to the start line. Many times fields are > 50% DNF due to flats.

mattm 08-13-14 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by globecanvas (Post 17032907)
I've said it before and I'll say it again. USAC should do what I say!

The USAC upgrade rules don't make much sense. Upgrade points in a road race for 3rd of 5 (40%), or 6th of 11 (45%). But nothing for 8th of 49 (84%) or 10th of 125 (92%).


Why not just make it a percentage? N/5 points for winning a race of N starters, N/5-1 points for finishing 2nd, N/5-2 points for finishing 3rd, etc, until you get down to zero points.

If it was a percentage, you'd get into all kinds of weirdness around rounding I bet.. and it would be "harder" to calculate points. I mean not hard, but people would get it wrong more often.

Also if the points system was broken, nobody would be upgrading!


Originally Posted by Ygduf (Post 17033011)
and they allow scrubs like me to work the system to achieve ultimate BF credibility in a year.

Ha just wait. I think once you hit cat 2 your credibility on BF really tanks, and cat 1 is even worse. Nobody listens to me!

globecanvas 08-13-14 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by mattm (Post 17033478)
If it was a percentage, you'd get into all kinds of weirdness around rounding I bet.. and it would be "harder" to calculate points. I mean not hard, but people would get it wrong more often.

Not really. For people who are unable to divide by 5, they could put a chart on their web site, like this:

http://i.imgur.com/JTWWPIh.png

mattm 08-13-14 03:20 PM

Hmm, looks familiar.

shovelhd 08-13-14 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by globecanvas (Post 17032907)
I've said it before and I'll say it again. USAC should do what I say!

Reported.

UmneyDurak 08-13-14 06:06 PM

hack do Red Kite. I was thinking of also doing 3/4 for **** and giggles. I can draft off of you. :D

save10 08-13-14 06:17 PM

It will be a BF meetup at red kite

hack 08-13-14 09:49 PM

Red Kite sounds appealing. It will depend on how tomorrow's ride goes because tonight sucked.

Rear derailleur was all over the place after crashing at Dunnigan. I thought I had it all tuned up, but was a bit off and about 15 miles in it was skipping all over. Had to pull over to tweak and then lost the group.

UmneyDurak 08-13-14 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by hack (Post 17034674)
Red Kite sounds appealing. It will depend on how tomorrow's ride goes because tonight sucked.

Rear derailleur was all over the place after crashing at Dunnigan. I thought I had it all tuned up, but was a bit off and about 15 miles in it was skipping all over. Had to pull over to tweak and then lost the group.

Hmm, hanger bent?

UmneyDurak 08-13-14 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by save10 (Post 17034131)
It will be a BF meetup at red kite

We can all sing cumbaya at T4.

hack 08-13-14 10:00 PM


Originally Posted by UmneyDurak (Post 17034679)
Hmm, hanger bent?

I hope not. I had one of the more mechanically skilled guys check it out post ride and I guess it wasn't tight enough. He cranked the rear barrel adjuster about 10 times, ran through the gears and it was shifting great.

Ygduf 08-13-14 10:05 PM

omg. next time we're together let me show you how to derailleur

Anyone doing Everest Challenge this year?

hack 08-13-14 10:15 PM

Ha...made some quick parking lot adjustments and thought I had it fixed, but was waaaay off. My mistake was tightening and only running through a few of the gears in the cassette. Didn't check the climbing ones :(

UmneyDurak 08-13-14 10:15 PM

Hmm I might to Henleyville RR, if weather is good. There are words flat in the title and description. Sounds like my type of RR. :D

hack 08-13-14 10:50 PM

I did Henleyville last year when I had crap fitness and feared hills (I still have crap fitness). I was fine and you'll do fine. 4 laps with one small roller into the feed zone and some wind. The finish is on a "hill" that is just a little punchy climb. We got a little bumpy coming into the finish and I ended up in the shoulder, didn't crash but lost any and all position. I'm pretty sure I'll do it again this year.

tetonrider 08-14-14 02:24 AM


Originally Posted by Ygduf (Post 17034733)
omg. next time we're together let me show you how to derailleur

Anyone doing Everest Challenge this year?

Is it actually happening? I checked a few weeks ago and it was not listed on the usac site and the rd didn't respond to an inquiry. I would like to go back. Not sure if this is the year, though.

hack 08-14-14 03:34 PM

Cripes ... I hate people (in a good way) that have so much talent. Was talking with a guy post Dunnigan that started racing road this year. I looked at his USAC and he started as a 5 in like March, is currently a 3 and has half his points to upgrade to a 2 after ~20 total races :rolleyes:

Ygduf 08-14-14 03:39 PM

which?

hack 08-14-14 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by Ygduf (Post 17037225)
which?

This guy, killing it in 2014 (looks like the two of you have battled at least once):

The Official Website - USA Cycling

Ygduf 08-14-14 05:05 PM

^^ yea. Looks like he was at the race I won and lost.

I hate the new USAC Results page. It doesn't list a rider's category on the rider result page, and when you go into the race page you have to expand all the possible categories to ctrl-f someone. It's 100% worse.

mattm 08-14-14 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by Ygduf (Post 17037468)
I hate the new USAC Results page. It doesn't list a rider's category on the rider result page, and when you go into the race page you have to expand all the possible categories to ctrl-f someone. It's 100% worse.

+1 it sucks.

Also it breaks my Race Results app!


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