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Old 09-16-13, 07:20 PM
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50-12... to weak for the end of races???

50-34 front. Just went to a 12-25 cassette for the holy grail... 16 tooth cog... I'll live in this thing for training around 21 mph...

But I'm a little worried for racing for sprints with a 50-12 "big" gear... Anyone have experience racing with this weak gearing. You really can't get a weaker big gear than this. Thinking I should go to a 11-23 instead... Am I overthinking this?
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Originally Posted by clones2
50-34 front. Just went to a 12-25 cassette for the holy grail... 16 tooth cog... I'll live in this thing for training around 21 mph...

But I'm a little worried for racing for sprints with a 50-12 "big" gear... Anyone have experience racing with this weak gearing. You really can't get a weaker big gear than this. Thinking I should go to a 11-23 instead... Am I overthinking this?
Have you raced?
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i won a p/1/2 field sprint with a 53/15. I also came in 3rd in another at 40 something odd mph with the same gear ratio. I doubt the 50/12 will hamper your ability to win a sprint.
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Have you raced?
Firstly and lastly, this. Have you? I suspect not since you're asking this question. Spoiler: yes you can.

Originally Posted by Ygduf
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But mainly the first one.
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I forgot about this:

39x11 top gear for much of the race, due to a shifting problem up front. Equal to about a 50x14. It wouldn't be my first choice in a sprint but it's doable. The guy that finished just behind me is a Cat 2. The guy that swerves at me allegedly podiumed at Nationals Masters 40+ Crit (that's what everyone said but I don't know who he is).
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Originally Posted by jsutkeepspining
i won a p/1/2 field sprint with a 53/15. I also came in 3rd in another at 40 something odd mph with the same gear ratio. I doubt the 50/12 will hamper your ability to win a sprint.
but you're an alien. it's different for the rest of us.
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I won a sprint on a 39/29.
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In what, a mountain bike race?


I finished with a 3/4 pack, almost taking a prime and making multiple fliers with my highest gear being at 50/14.
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In what, a mountain bike race?
Road. I never had to sprint in any of the MTB races I won.
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I win sprints in .... 53x14? I've taken a sprint before in 53x15, foot speed is the name of that game.
There's a kid around here (U18 RR & TT champ) who has been winning pretty well most of the P/1/2 crits around here this year, and doing it on 52x14.

I expect you'll be just fine.
If you can't sprint with good foot speed, maybe less fine.
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Originally Posted by Racer Ex
Road. I never had to sprint in any of the MTB races I won.
Uphill?
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I've been thinking and doing some calcs lately, and think it would be damn near impossible to output enough power without spinning really freaking fast. I've only done a few races, but I have started to leave it in maybe 52/14 or less on the flats (for sprinting). Think about it - with 50/12 you could hit almost 40mph at 120 rpms.
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I've been thinking and doing some calcs lately, and think it would be damn near impossible to output enough power without spinning really freaking fast. I've only done a few races, but I have started to leave it in maybe 52/14 or less on the flats. Think about it - with 50/12 you could hit almost 40mph at 120 rpms.
Get out of here with your math and logic. He needs a 53x11, just like the pros, in order to win cat 5 (6?) sprints.
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Originally Posted by Racer Ex
Road. I never had to sprint in any of the MTB races I won.
Were you climbing Alpe d'Huez?
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I've seen juniors win P/1/2 sprints with junior gearing.
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I've won sprints in 53x11
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Originally Posted by Skyline516
Were you climbing Alpe d'Huez?
No. Alpe de Huez is a big ring finish. The 39/29 was a race that finished at the McDonald Observatory.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
I've won sprints in 53x11
We won a tandem sprint in a 55/11.
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Originally Posted by botto
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That's like 112 gear inches. People win sprints on the track all the time with ~90 inches. Spin to win. Unless you're sprinting downhill at 50 mph, you'll be fine.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
I've won sprints in 53x11
I've been beaten while using a 53x11 or 54x11.

My young teammate handed my ass to me in a head to head sprint last year while using junior gearing. He also hit almost 1700 watts in that gear while doing it...
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50x12 at 120rpm = 39mph.

There may be a few circumstances where you'd like to have the 50x11, but not having the 11 isnot likely to hold you back.

If you don't need the 25 cog for a low, the better reason to prefer the 11-23 is it makes the 34 ring more useful.
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Originally Posted by Racer Ex
No. Alpe de Huez is a big ring finish. The 39/29 was a race that finished at the McDonald Observatory.
That sounds about right. When I told a co-worker I was racing up there, his response was, "My truck had trouble getting up there."
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