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    Well, since I had a forced offseason the only thing I could really work on was diet. Hope it works out for me but I have enjoyed getting a little leaner. Shed about 8 pounds since beginning of August.

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    For me, I usually take a month almost entirely off the bike at the end of race season.

    I find that after 11 months of straight training and racing, it's nice to do something completely different. I'll run. I'll swim. I'll lift weights - All of which hurt a lot. I do try to get in one ride a week, usually on the mountain bike or something easy on the road, but nothing focused.

    It's a nice break, physically and mentally.

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    I feel the same as the OP. My legs are tired and need to rest, but at the same time I am thinking I might as well start to ease into my gym workout and not lose gains I have made through the summer. My legs are telling me to take a break, and it is very difficult not to listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    And I'm saying beyond your understanding of the sport and training there's a wealth of knowledge in these forums. Just because you don't know your ass from you elbow, or simply don't care, doesn't mean that maps over to everyone.

    No. I'm talking down to you. You're snarky and imagine you have some knowledge into the sport because you beat some 4s in a RR.

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    Not trying to pick a fight but I can side with stein on this. Something about have Cat 1 Road beside my license number tells me I might be able to direct the op. Add to that the results of some of the guys I help out and I think I know a little...
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    fancy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammy56 View Post
    fancy.
    Hey ***** - still living the dream?
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    Life is good.

    my race season is just getting started.

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    cat 1-o-meter: wtf am i doing??????
    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    You're not dumb. You're just less smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsutkeepspining View Post
    Don't hate me 'cuz I'm cute...
    And elegant...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    I get to sass for beating up on some cat 4s. GSB gets to sass for being old. And "consistency" wasn't on Mikey's SAT score that got him into Hopkins.

    OP wins, I think.

    Actually it's more along the lines of 'I've won more races than you've entered.' But let's not let anything like reality get in the way of wherever you're going with all this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    Not trying to pick a fight but I can side with stein on this. Something about have Cat 1 Road beside my license number tells me I might be able to direct the op. Add to that the results of some of the guys I help out and I think I know a little...
    You're a goddamn liar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    Don't hate me 'cuz I'm cute...
    And elegant...
    Hahahaa. You're too cute
    cat 1-o-meter: wtf am i doing??????
    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    You're not dumb. You're just less smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    You're a goddamn liar.
    Been in the south too long, don't know why I try to be polite...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike868y View Post
    "it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you're getting the nutrition you need"
    there is more than one healthy meal. there is more than one correct answer to OPs question, depending on whatever will leave him in the best physically rested and mentally clear mindset to do real base.

    I don't know how else to rephrase this.

    I tend to disagree with total time off the bike. It's easier to maintain a little bit of your fitness and still rest up, for me, than it would be to take an entire month off and start from that point. I can do 30 hours month and be totally rested and have 30 hours of fitness, or I can do 0 hours and still only be totally rested, but have 0 hours of fitness.

    Also, I was presuming from the question that OP is a newer rider, or at least newer to race training, in which case my view is, in the first 5+ years, just riding a lot is a good plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    Actually it's more along the lines of 'I've won more races than you've entered.' But let's not let anything like reality get in the way of wherever you're going with all this.
    Bro, don't be coy. I don't want to fight. Just link your USAC. Wield that **** like a hammer. Everyone knows that the best athletes make the best coaches!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    Not trying to pick a fight but I can side with stein on this. Something about have Cat 1 Road beside my license number tells me I might be able to direct the op. Add to that the results of some of the guys I help out and I think I know a little...
    I concede harder!

    I already gave a real answer to OPs question, which is the same that Shovel recommended. What are you and GSB suggesting? In between animated gifs we're all still reading!

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    Shovel gave an answer to period of time between now and the start of preseason training. You said 'it doesn't matter what you do even in the racing season.'

    I wasn't trying to coach the guy either, but you said no one can help him.

    And I'm not your 'bro,' nor being coy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    Shovel gave an answer to period of time between now and the start of preseason training. You said 'it doesn't matter what you do even in the racing season.'

    I wasn't trying to coach the guy either, but you said no one can help him.

    And I'm not your 'bro,' nor being coy.
    You're my bro though 'bra...

    I guess to comment a little further I have posted many times a basic training routine that will take any 5/4/3 and make them faster/better. Once you crack the p/1/2s thing become a little different but not much.
    Anyone can be helped/directed...
    Last edited by rkwaki; 09-24-13 at 10:13 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    You're my bro though 'bra...
    You need a bra, fatso.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    You need a bra, fatso.
    I just grabbed my titties to see and can understand why some of the women here are jealous...
    Ask rockets, I've got a nice handful...
    "if you ride it the way it's meant to be ridden there's no way any wife is less of a ***** than a bicycle." - gstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    Shovel gave an answer to period of time between now and the start of preseason training. You said 'it doesn't matter what you do even in the racing season.'

    I wasn't trying to coach the guy either, but you said no one can help him.

    And I'm not your 'bro,' nor being coy.

    more threads like this and I might just hang out here more often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammy56 View Post

    more threads like this and I might just hang out here more often.
    Offseason is upon us...
    All threads will be derailed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    Offseason is upon us...
    All threads will be derailed...
    Perhaps slightly derailed, but as the OP, I did get some helpful insight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    You said 'it doesn't matter what you do even in the racing season.'
    Oh, see, that part was not me being sassy. That's my actual advice from my n=1 experience. I've only raced for a few years, but I've had success in each of the years doing a JRA-a lot approach. I don't follow a specific plan or do intervals, but I do lots of group rides and get intensity and z5+ time from them.

    And you are my bro. We're not on the same wavelength just yet, but we're both coming from genuine places. I wasn't being cynical saying "it doesn't matter". I was being honest saying "it doesn't matter as long as you're having fun and if you want to race your idea of fun will end up being productive riding" - which I see now was unclear, and so I revised it in further posts.

    Also, I'm not trying to offend you, but I linked my results as to explain why I feel that my advice was sound, i.e. it has been working for me, not to say that "you must do as I do to have any success". I believe there are many successful training plans, probably as many as there are successful athletes. I don't care if you have won every single race you've entered, I'm still going to judge posts and advice based on the post and advice. The best coaches were often middling athletes who had to study the game to overcome what they physically lacked. Jordan being GOAT doesn't make him a good owner.

    I already rolled over and apologized to OP if I came across as too snarky. If I do it any harder I'll trickle out a few drops of pee. OP even edited his original post to an appropriate length, clearly a good guy.

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