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    Quote Originally Posted by rankin116 View Post
    Is there such thing a famous race promoter, let alone a relatively famous one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PharmD View Post
    Thanks for the help guys. I think I do need to work on my short term power numbers. I have always been terrible at the shorter efforts. Losing weight will obviously help too - I've never been able to drop below 160, but I will try to over the winter. Trying to talk my wife into letting me race more crits - it's going to be tough with kid number 3 on the way in March. Also for the 20 minute intervals - should I stop at 2x20? Does it make sense to do 3 or more - or is that overkill?
    Not to discourage you from dropping weight but if it's tough to get below 165 then it's tough to get below 165 (or 160 or whatever). I hope to be in the 160 range next spring. At 155 I was at the limit, so that's about my minimum (currently about 8-10 pounds off my goal).

    Short term power - that's probably more important, especially the minute or so power. There's a guy in the area that's not necessarily the best sprinter but he's done really well in sprints when the race is really hard. Many sprinters wither when the pace is sky high.

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    I also have a post about the guy leading out and beating a national crit champ at Tour of Nutley (Cat 3s). I can't find it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
    I also have a post about the guy leading out and beating a national crit champ at Tour of Nutley (Cat 3s). I can't find it though.
    Well you don't write much so shouldn't be hard to find...
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    You don't build short term power by doing 2x20's. That's good for threshold work. You need shorter more intense intervals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PharmD View Post
    Thanks for the help guys. I think I do need to work on my short term power numbers. I have always been terrible at the shorter efforts. Losing weight will obviously help too - I've never been able to drop below 160, but I will try to over the winter. Trying to talk my wife into letting me race more crits - it's going to be tough with kid number 3 on the way in March. Also for the 20 minute intervals - should I stop at 2x20? Does it make sense to do 3 or more - or is that overkill?
    if you want to get good at long climbs/rides, don't focus on short-term power.

    2x20 is a good start.
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    Some people do 3x20's. Should you? That depends on what you're trying to achieve. Also, that's a very taxing workout that should probably come later in a training cycle and may not be advisable for a cat 5 aspiring racer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grolby View Post
    Some people do 3x20's. Should you? That depends on what you're trying to achieve. Also, that's a very taxing workout that should probably come later in a training cycle and may not be advisable for a cat 5 aspiring racer.
    Doesn't take that long to build up to 3x20s, even for newbs. And 60+ minutes of threshold work is a quick way to add some threshold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
    Is he the son of a relatively famous race promoter? I thought it was but then I wasn't sure.
    That's not the son of a famous race promoter. That's just Brett Kielick. It is a P2C murdered out, and yes, he rides with a weird saddle position. He's obsessed with aerodynamics almost to the point of absurdity, but it works for him. He definitely geeks out over all things technical. He's exceptionally powerful even in that position. You can bet that his threshold is somewhere approaching 400w, possibly more after a good block of training. Mind you he's 6'8" and probably 180 lbs, give or take. He's currently riding across the southern part of the country, camping and couch crashing as he goes. He regularly starts USACrits and NCC crits in the back row, because more often than not, he's reassembling his hubs or bottom bracket until 2 minutes before the race. His tactic tends to be to time trial behind the field, passing people as one-by-oen they get blown off the back (I had him go by me more than once--Iron Hill, Wilmington, Presybyterian). Rather than going with the surges, he rides threshold until things settle down after the first hour but before UHC starts ripping it. Then he moves up. He's been PA state TT champ and BAR (best all around rider) multiple times. When he & I raced on the same team (I moved in 2012), he had just missed out on being state crit champ once behind Kyle Wamsley and Lisbanned Quintero.

    I do believe he's onto something with the 38 or 36mm bars. Thing is, at his height, his coffecient of drag is always going to be high. I think he'd be better off getting into a more powerful, better handling position than he is in here. He'd be able to breathe better and therefore deliver more oxygen to his muscles. He'd also be better served in a position that let him scrub less speed going into a corner, imo. But hey, the result sheet is all that matters, and he has plenty of good results.

    P.S. this was his rig in the 2011 Green Mountain Stage Race, which, embarrassingly, I only beat him on the queen stage by like 3 seconds, in spite of weighing 55 fewer pounds. Dude can climb pretty well when he gets skinny, but it hurts his time trail ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaZam View Post
    Jeepers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
    Jeepers.
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    overall effect is similar to your tsunami, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rankin116 View Post
    +1000
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    I stopped reading on the first page. But it seems like you are lacking reading comprehension..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    overall effect is similar to your tsunami, isn't it?
    Heh no, my bike has very little drop. It's just that I have short legs so my saddle is low also.
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