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    2013:
    Goal: Maybe possibly do a bike race.
    Actuality: Did 5 races - 6th place in #1 , an epic 2 man chase in #2 , a crash in #3 , mid pack finish in #4 hill climb, and dropped and pulled in #5 .

    Next year possible goals:
    Have and stick to a training plan.
    Experiment with maybe getting enough sleep on occasion
    Upgrade to 4s and podium
    Significantly improve recovery time after efforts
    Significantly improve FTP (would like 5 w/kg)
    Try attacking
    Don't crash
    Don't be chicken

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    hmmm

    I figured on 10-15 wins this year. 2 point series wins and a national title.

    I got five wins. 1 series and the crash that that broke my ribs and cost me a win in the second series kept me from going to track nats.

    15 total podiums. If you dump out the days I did a second race just for miles I podiumed in about half the races I cared about. Crashed out of one late I should've won.

    Had Shovel down with an injury for part of the season, another teammate went out with family issues.

    I didn't race nearly as much as I usually do (part of that is I didn't do any track racing), but I seemed pretty effective.

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    Mixed bag of a year.

    Started racing. Did ok in road races, including a top 10 overall at Joe Martin. I think with the exception of Hell of the South where i was in the Masters 3,4,5 for my first non-training race of the year, I was top 10 of every road race I did. I was top 5 a few times, but no podiums. With the exception of hell of the south, I felt like I had an impact on every road race I did. Totally not a race, but I did manage to pull a top 10 at 3 Gap this past weekend without having been on the bike more than 20 hours since the first of June--so I thought that was decent.

    Crit wise--I was a trainwreck. My results in a few look good on paper, but I never had an impact on a single crit.

    Sadly when I was really starting to feel strong and confident, I upgraded to Cat 4 and immediately crashed out of a race with a broken collarbone. Between the broken collarbone, changing jobs and moving my season prettty much died.

    Begin working next week on next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post

    On the plus side, I moved to CA
    out of curiosity did you find any difference racing P12s in the NCNCA vs where ever you lived before?

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    Goals for the year:
    1. Start racing after a couple of years off
    Yep - I raced

    2. Get serious, get faster than my perma-cat4, or get rid of all the "racer gear" and buy a fred Ti+Campy rig for centuries.
    I trained, I got faster than I ever have been before, still own my "racer stuff".

    3. Starting with 0 upgrade points, Get up to Cat3 on the track, Qualify & go to Collegiate Nationals.
    It took three months, but I finally got my 3 on the track, qualified & went to Nationals.

    Stretch-Maybe-If-I'm-Lucky-and-Unicorns-Kiss-Me Goals:
    1. Do well at collegiate nationals
    Only person on my team to make the points race final, wasn't DFL

    2. Make Cat 2 on the track???!?
    It seems that I have in fact made my Cat2? Waiting on confirmation, but it sure looks like it.

    Road:
    - I made 5 omniums (15 races) in the collegiate road season, I raced hard in a support role and the three times I tried for a win I got:
    3rd, 1st, 2nd. (3rd was with a teammate who sealed the deal... ended up riding 2v1 team tactics in the last bit of a RR, "Fielder's Choice" if you will)
    - Had heaps and tons of fun being a leadout man for our sprinter who pretty much didn't lose a crit all season... I'm personally proud of his record.
    - Was the road captain in the RRs, and even though we had a team of inexperienced & not-so-fast racers, our tactics put a man on the podium in every single race, all year long.

    Track:
    - Completely frustrating first three months of the season - no legs, no luck, couldn't hardly buy a win in the 4s.
    - Finally got out of the 4s, and immediately started demolishing the 3s. Won races, was somewhere 1-4 in every nightly omnium since upgrading, won a state championship points race that I really wanted, and on about 6 weeks of cat3 racing - took 2nd in the season-long omnium.
    - On the non-results side of life, a few months ago I knew everyone else at the track and no one knew me. In the last couple weeks of the season, people kept coming over to talk, or just knew who I was and were friendly... the social side of track racing has been really fantastic. It means a lot to me to have the respect and friendship of long-time racers who I admire.
    Also, I'm waiting for official confirmation, but it appears that I got my cat2 as well.


    Less good:
    - Struggled a ton with life off the bike - I rarely trained this year and life kept getting derailed with non-bike stuff... but I'll take a great year for what it was and be thankful for what it was.
    - Next year will hopefully be more stable off the bike with eating/marriage/work/school/family and hopefully that will help me be successful on the next level.
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    If it comes down to a field sprint, you probably won't win, so don't let it.

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    raced unattached.

    started season 15 lb over wt and just stopped racing until i could get into a more reasonable level weight and better level of fitness. basically skipped the first half of the season. I got my weight down by the end of July and had a nice little run of 6 straight top 10s in masters 3/4 crits..but only one podium. some of those races were really close to being top 3. So it was nice to go into a race and at least have the expectation of doing OK. In the M123s I typically was able to finish in the field but not much more. those were usually the 2nd race of the day so maybe less fresh, but i am M123 packfill either way. The exception was the San Rafael Twighlight M123....i got dropped with extreme prejudice in that race.

    Fitness wise I'm much stronger than i've ever been. The saturday hammer ride around here is called the Hop. And last year it was 50/50 if i could finish in the group. If i were to be dropped now I would be pretty damn pissed with myself.

    Goals for next year - not show up 15 lb over weight. probably join a team. Cat 2's probably unlikely so if i'm on a team i'd be a helper/leadout type.

    2013 Season highlight - 15 starts. 0 crashes

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    Quote Originally Posted by save10 View Post
    out of curiosity did you find any difference racing P12s in the NCNCA vs where ever you lived before?
    Racing is hard everywhere, this much I know.

    In WA we had a few ex-pros lighting things up in races. One or two current pros too. It was hard.

    Here in CA we have bigger fields, more fast guys. Lots more.

    More ex-pros, more current pros. Future pros are the ones that really scare me though!

    I'm loving every second of it - the weather, the scene, the racing. Having the option is 2/3's races, masters races, and p/1/2 races on the same day is really rad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hack View Post
    Hmm...hard to say. I wanted to start racing in 2013 and I did in late May. I bought a bike in March, started actually logging miles in April, and raced for the first time in May. I completed 15 races, moved from 5 to 4 and had a couple of awful races (Giro SF and Oakland Grand Prix). I "competed" in a few races and was just present in several others.

    I've learned a lot about racing, but not nearly enough. Due to having no base, like none, I need some offseason training and am looking forward to 2014.
    you bought a bike and started racing a few months later? damn!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovoleg View Post
    you bought a bike and started racing a few months later? damn!
    Yeah...I had a road bike before, but never used it ('06 Felt F65). Bought a new bike this year (March; Giant TCR Composite) and would ride it to and from the gym (~6 miles round trip) a couple times a week. I was in decent shape from gym life, but not good for sustained efforts beyond 20 minutes. I knew I wanted to race, so I started "training" in April. Initially, that consisted of 10-15 mile solo efforts which built itself into as much as 30 miles (was HUUUGE distance at the time for me). I did a couple of group rides in late April (got dropped hard) and early May (still got dropped) then raced in late May. The first couple of races were encouraging as I was able to hang in with the pack, but didn't know when to sprint and such so I wasn't finishing well.

    It was rough at first, but a local bike club here (Cycle Folsom) has a great training program to get you comfortable in group settings and working with other riders, so that helped a lot. I had a few awful races toward the end of the year where I got no sleep as they started at 8AM and were some 3+ hours away from me, but I had some very enjoyable races in the middle.

    I am hoping that actual training in the offseason will yield some good results next year.

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    oh and in the spirit of n+1, looking for a different bike in the offseason. bought the current one on a whim and didn't know what I was looking for, so i'll get something with better geo for my body.

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    Hack, do you do the Coffee Republic ride?
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    Quote Originally Posted by caloso View Post
    Hack, do you do the Coffee Republic ride?
    I don't...have been meaning to, but with a lot of races being on Saturday I've missed them. I'm nursing a tweaked leg and will be back on the bike in a few days (about a week off) and will look to join in.

    I've done the Folsom Bike Wednesday ride and usually fall into on of the chase groups after Sierra College. That's a fun ride, but ended two weeks ago. There's also a pretty high paced ride put on by Cycle Folsom on Thursday nights on the canal...rotating paceline going out and basically a race ride coming back in. I try to hit the Thursday ride weekly.

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    My goals were to ride more miles this year than last, something over 4,500mi.

    Thus far I rode 2,000. I was lucky to get through the summer alive and it was a squeaker twice. Said goodbye to friends and family during two different ambulance rides one of which took over 4 hours. Had me an interesting if not so fun summer. In a few days I'll learn when I can get back on the bike...now that snow is falling .
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    Quote Originally Posted by hack View Post
    I don't...have been meaning to, but with a lot of races being on Saturday I've missed them. I'm nursing a tweaked leg and will be back on the bike in a few days (about a week off) and will look to join in.

    I've done the Folsom Bike Wednesday ride and usually fall into on of the chase groups after Sierra College. That's a fun ride, but ended two weeks ago. There's also a pretty high paced ride put on by Cycle Folsom on Thursday nights on the canal...rotating paceline going out and basically a race ride coming back in. I try to hit the Thursday ride weekly.
    I've always meant to do the CR ride, but it is a lot more convenient to do the River Ride. I'll also try to do the Davis Wheelworks Ride occasionally. If I ride to the ride and back, it's almost 100 miles. A serious day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caloso View Post
    I've always meant to do the CR ride, but it is a lot more convenient to do the River Ride. I'll also try to do the Davis Wheelworks Ride occasionally. If I ride to the ride and back, it's almost 100 miles. A serious day.
    I'm interested in the River Ride, but it seems that there are a few of them and they start at different times? My only challenge is getting from the office up in Roseville to any ride starting location by start time (~5:30).

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    You're right. In this case, I meant the Saturday morning ride, which leaves from the alley behind City Bike Works (25th and K) at 10am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caloso View Post
    You're right. In this case, I meant the Saturday morning ride, which leaves from the alley behind City Bike Works (25th and K) at 10am.
    Gotcha. That is a doable ride and I think it'd be more favorable for me as I tend to get worked over on the hills. I can hide and work at high speeds on flats, but can't hide from hills.

    Also, River Ride championships are coming up in November, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hack View Post
    I had a few awful races toward the end of the year where I got no sleep as they started at 8AM and were some 3+ hours away from me, but I had some very enjoyable races in the middle.

    .
    If you're gonna road race in norcal, you should try to get used to that. 4am alarm to go race on terrible roads in the middle of nowhere - all for the shot at a butt ugly t-shirt - is pretty much what its all about.

    I guess that might be part of the reason crits are so popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncreative View Post
    If you're gonna road race in norcal, you should try to get used to that. 4am alarm to go race on terrible roads in the middle of nowhere - all for the shot at a butt ugly t-shirt - is pretty much what its all about.

    I guess that might be part of the reason crits are so popular.
    Very true, just need to refine the routine so I'm not scrambling in the AM to find decent food. Alternatively, find hotels near the race to stay.

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    Just move to SoCal guys
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    Details here but the chart says it all (in hours of training per month). Not enough base and not much racing. What the chart doesn't show is that life is so great with Junior that it's all good. Becoming a Dad, and an involved one at that, has been really incredible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post


    Details here but the chart says it all (in hours of training per month). Not enough base and not much racing. What the chart doesn't show is that life is so great with Junior that it's all good. Becoming a Dad, and an involved one at that, has been really incredible.
    and you raced as a cat 2 with that much training?

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    cdr raced as a 3 this season.
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    My goal for 2013 was to think about getting into racing. I raced Triathlon for a few years and got burned out. Started riding more, met some great people and didn't miss swimming and running much! Also didn't miss racing because cycling was new to me.
    This year I raced one triathlon, One uphill TT and one road race. The road race wasn't much fun due to the weather and I found it kind of boring. It was a good taste of racing though. I did a charity ride/century a couple weeks ago and crashed (but finished). I didn't want to end this year on that note... so will probably do Tour De Scottsdale this weekend.
    Most of the races around here are Crits, which I am not too excited about but will think about it for next year :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by spectastic View Post
    and you raced as a cat 2 with that much training?
    Quote Originally Posted by mike868y View Post
    cdr raced as a 3 this season.
    mike is right, I'm a 3. The only year I was a 2 was 2011, after my very good 2010 year. I've raced every season since 1983 and I only ever got the points to upgrade to Cat 2 in 2010.

    I upgraded in late Aug 2010 mainly because I thought we'd have a kid at some point in 2011 so I had to take the opportunity to upgrade to 2, even if I downgraded virtually immediately (I ended up downgrading prior to the 2012 season). I was strongest in 2010, racing as a 3, with maybe 450 total hours of training. That year I did 150 hours prior to March including two training trips, 200 most of season including another training trip, 100 to the end of the year including another training trip, very rough numbers I pulled out of my head although I definitely did 4 training trips (5-7 days except SoCal was 12 or 14 days). In 2011 I was totally focused on becoming a dad so I purposely set myself no goals. This led to a real haphazard season with basically no results, and we only found out we were expecting in August. In 2012 I became a dad so I did a similar season to this year but with probably less training - looking after a newborn is extremely exhausting. In 2013 I started training again - a 1 year old is easier to deal with, sleeps through the night, etc.

    If I did 2-3 hours more a week in May, June, July I think that it'd have made a huge difference. That's 8-12 hours a month, so basically 50-100% more than what I did.

    One of the reasons I put everything on Strava is to show new/current racers that you don't need to train crazy hours to be a crit racer. I have a low FTP (210-220w), I don't train much, but I can get some places and even win a field sprint. To the riders that have FTPs 50% higher than me I say, wow, if I had a 300w FTP I'd be an ultra competitive Cat 2 or I'd be really doing some serious damage in the M40+ or M45+ races. For flatter races it's about knowing how to race and much, much, much less about 2x20s or whatever training racers do.

    Climbing and TTs are different but then you're dealing with w/kg above all else. If you don't have the watts or you can't drop to a reasonable kg then you can't race hilly races, period. Doesn't matter what you do, if you don't have that w/kg then you're done. For TT it's the same - if you lack the watts (FTP or, for shorter events, your 5 min power or whatever) you can't TT. You can improve but doing 48 kph for an hour is simply out of the question.

    Climbing and TTs are like running. If you've never come close to running a 4 minute mile you're probably not going to. If you got close then the training etc may get you there, but if your fastest mile is a 6:30 then you have to accept that you're never going to do a 4:00.

    Crits... that's like chess. It's not about how fit you are but how you apply your strengths tactically. Well for Cat 3s and below. For Cat 2s and such you need FTP, peak power, everything.

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