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Old 10-07-13, 11:13 AM   #126
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what does that mean? someone trying to draw conclusions from cumulative time in a zone?
It means over the course of a XXX hour ride he spent 50 minutes in that power range as opposed to a constant 400w for 50 minutes.
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Just bragging. Like i always tell her mother, I moved way up when i started dating her, and she moved way down
I want to but I just can't...
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Just bragging. Like i always tell her mother, I moved way up when i started dating her, and she moved way down
That's odd, I've told your mom pretty much the same thing.

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It means over the course of a XXX hour ride he spent 50 minutes in that power range as opposed to a constant 400w for 50 minutes.
no one would seriously think that X watts for 50 minutes during a multi-hour ride would be analogous to a 40k/50' at X watts ... would they?
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no one would seriously think that X watts for 50 minutes during a multi-hour ride would be analogous to a 40k/50' at X watts ... would they?
Dunno who the "he" he's referring to, but it wasn't me.

It was this effort where I decided I should get a TT bike come winter and work on translating power into TTing instead of trying to push my big ass up hills with all the tiny guys.
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What does it matter? 50min @ 400w is 50min @ 400w.
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Dunno who the "he" he's referring to, but it wasn't me.

It was this effort where I decided I should get a TT bike come winter and work on translating power into TTing instead of trying to push my big ass up hills with all the tiny guys.
Yeah dude you are gonna kill it on the TT bike with those raw watts if you can get anywhere close to being somewhat aero.
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What does it matter? 50min @ 400w is 50min @ 400w.
Not really.
It's like saying I can squat 300 pounds 120 times.
There would be a big difference if that was 120 times straight versus 120 times broken down to 10 sets of 12 with 2 minutes res in between. The end result is the same, 36,000 pounds moved but the method to get there is very different. When you look at the yg's ride profile it was three seperate climbs with long downhills between them, allowing your legs to recover as opposed to one sustained 400 watt climb for 50 minutes, same vertical climbed but I can assure you the fitness to accomplish each is very different.
Regardless yg's ride was very well done...
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Not really.
It's like saying I can squat 300 pounds 120 times.
There would be a big difference if that was 120 times straight versus 120 times broken down to 10 sets of 12 with 2 minutes res in between. The end result is the same, 36,000 pounds moved but the method to get there is very different. When you look at the yg's ride profile it was three seperate climbs with long downhills between them, allowing your legs to recover as opposed to one sustained 400 watt climb for 50 minutes, same vertical climbed but I can assure you the fitness to accomplish each is very different.
Regardless yg's ride was very well done...
It's still an average. If there was a good bit of variation, that's what NP was for, and would tell a more accurate story.

And I just looked at fudgy's ride and it's a mountain the whole way up for 50min.
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It's still an average. If there was a good bit of variation, that's what NP was for, and would tell a more accurate story.

And I just looked at fudgy's ride and it's a mountain the whole way up for 50min.
Fudgy, hahahahahaha
BTW haven't heard back yet, duder is on vacation....
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Not really.
When you look at the yg's ride profile it was three seperate climbs with long downhills between them, allowing your legs to recover as opposed to one sustained 400 watt climb for 50 minutes, same vertical climbed but I can assure you the fitness to accomplish each is very different.
Regardless yg's ride was very well done...
I was only ever referring to the 1 pr effort. the np for that was at 395 (iirc) for 51:30. There's a descent that moved AP a bit (& I was rounding).

Regardless, I'm not even close to that yet in a TT position. I was only inferring the ability to aerobically get that much power out of the system. Translating it to a tucked position might not ever happen, but working on that TT position is part of my winter plan this year.

I climbed great in the 4s. good in the 3s, and would be average in the 2s. The hope is that changing from KG to cda is more forgiving for my frame and I can be "good" against 2s.

I have no illusions it'll be easy or it's a given, but ask for goals and doing well in some TTs _should_ be achievable.
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Fudgy, hahahahahaha
BTW haven't heard back yet, duder is on vacation....
It's his name backwards

And cool, just lmk when you hear!
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I want to but I just can't...
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It's still an average. If there was a good bit of variation, that's what NP was for, and would tell a more accurate story.

And I just looked at fudgy's ride and it's a mountain the whole way up for 50min.
holy crap just realized his sn is supposed to be fudgy backwards.
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i did look at that strava segment and am familiar with a number of the riders on page 1 and have raced against them on the same day/same courses, so that gives me a pretty good indicator. i won't write anything on the translation from hill climb results to TTs in this thread, as you'll probably just say that you know it already. this is a rich topic, though.

not sure about any efforts other than responding to what rkwaki wrote earlier in the thread. i also don't get too mixed up in strava stuff, but to bring this back on topic for the thread it sounds like you have set a goal that will stretch you in a discipline that might suit your strengths.

that is something i can respect. i wish you success in executing on a plan!


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I was only ever referring to the 1 pr effort. the np for that was at 395 (iirc) for 51:30. There's a descent that moved AP a bit (& I was rounding).

Regardless, I'm not even close to that yet in a TT position. I was only inferring the ability to aerobically get that much power out of the system. Translating it to a tucked position might not ever happen, but working on that TT position is part of my winter plan this year.

I climbed great in the 4s. good in the 3s, and would be average in the 2s. The hope is that changing from KG to cda is more forgiving for my frame and I can be "good" against 2s.

I have no illusions it'll be easy or it's a given, but ask for goals and doing well in some TTs _should_ be achievable.
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1) Get to 500 watts for 2 minutes, 400 watts for 5 minutes, 350 watts ftp.

2) Win a non tt race.

3) Win state tt cat 5 unless I have upgraded to 4 in which podium cat 4 would be good.
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i did look at that strava segment and am familiar with a number of the riders on page 1 and have raced against them on the same day/same courses,
that is something i can respect. i wish you success in executing on a plan!
thanks.

When I went out there my goal was to get on page 1. Was close, but all the May 18th results kept me off. Drug users.
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NY to SF = lots of headwind!

Fly to SF and bike home, much easier.
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Outlandish Goals
-cat 2 upgrade (i have one point)
-win a 35 +123 race in the NCNCA (pretty much everyone else would have to crash)
-somehow hit 1300 W on my power meter (max was 1050 once)

Stretch Goals, but possible
-podium San Rafael Twilight (i guess this is almost everyone's goal) in 35 +3/4 (7th this year)
-then finish the 35+123's at the same event (survived 30 minutes)
-win a race (6 top tens in 3/4s and one podium...it could happen)
-not crash (2013 crashes = zero)

Likely Goals
-join a team

Peformance goals
-arrive at 2014 at 165 lbs instead of 185 lbs like 2013 (currently at 171 despite being in italy for 3 weeks)

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Probably reasonable goals:
-Get to 200 lb. peak (down from 220)
-340W FTP (from 313)
-Make it to collegiate B
-Upgrade to 3s
-Race more
-Enjoy racing with team more frequently
-under 40' at local TT (current best at about 42:30)
-beat all of GS-Cyclelife in a 3/4 race
-win a race

Bat**** Goals:
-Make collegiate nationals TT
-Win regional TT cat 3
-Win tour de millersburg cat 3
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Probably reasonable goals:
-Get to 200 lb. peak (down from 220)
-340W FTP (from 313)
-Make it to collegiate B
-Upgrade to 3s
-Race more
-Enjoy racing with team more frequently
-under 40' at local TT (current best at about 42:30)
-beat all of GS-Cyclelife in a 3/4 race
-win a race

Bat**** Goals:
-Make collegiate nationals TT
-Win regional TT cat 3
-Win tour de millersburg cat 3
you damn well better be able to win a local cat 3 tt if you think you have any chance of winning col nats tt.
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you damn well better be able to win a local cat 3 tt if you think you have any chance of winning col nats tt.
to be fair, is he saying 'make' (as in qualify for?) collegiate nationals...not necessarily win?

skyline, cool to see some stretch goals!
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Yeah, I just meant qualify. It would be really cool during Richmond 2015 to be like "I raced on that course and that guy just beat my time by 20 min." And to clarify, this will be my first year with actual off-season training, as last year I only had a month or two between the end of swimming and the beginning of road season, so I think that my gains are pretty reasonable goals.
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Yeah, I just meant qualify. It would be really cool during Richmond 2015 to be like "I raced on that course and that guy just beat my time by 20 min." And to clarify, this will be my first year with actual off-season training, as last year I only had a month or two between the end of swimming and the beginning of road season, so I think that my gains are pretty reasonable goals.
since it will be a different day, you can always add "...but we had a 50mph headwind on the way out and back, these guys had no wind."
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Yeah, I just meant qualify. It would be really cool during Richmond 2015 to be like "I raced on that course and that guy just beat my time by 20 min." And to clarify, this will be my first year with actual off-season training, as last year I only had a month or two between the end of swimming and the beginning of road season, so I think that my gains are pretty reasonable goals.
oh, well in that case (and judging by your location) i'm guessing you're in the accc? as long as you get to As qualifying for nats is a joke because our conference is small and poorly organized. just snag a top 20.
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