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    Quote Originally Posted by Creatre View Post
    You'll find me outside with layers on layers and headlight/tailight year round so I can still train around these issues. No trainer for me.
    Last year I did 2x20 Tempo-SST trainer sessions indoors during the week though the winter but am planning on riding outside this year. My area has a little more traffic than I want but I sorta feel more safer/visible with a bright ass headlight and taillight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notwist View Post
    Last year I did 2x20 Tempo-SST trainer sessions indoors during the week though the winter but am planning on riding outside this year. My area has a little more traffic than I want but I sorta feel more safer/visible with a bright ass headlight and taillight.
    Yeah I ride around Atlanta suburbs with decent amount of traffic, but I don't feel like riding at night is any more dangerous than during the day with my setup. I suggest getting reflective vest to wear if you'll be in the dark for longer than an hour too. I've found the reflective stuff to be a lot more helpful than lights for cars noticing me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creatre View Post
    Yeah I ride around Atlanta suburbs with decent amount of traffic, but I don't feel like riding at night is any more dangerous than during the day with my setup. I suggest getting reflective vest to wear if you'll be in the dark for longer than an hour too. I've found the reflective stuff to be a lot more helpful than lights for cars noticing me.
    I do so much training in the drops. How does a car behind you see the vest if your torso is horizontal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    I do so much training in the drops. How does a car behind you see the vest if your torso is horizontal?
    My torso was horizontal last night.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    My torso was horizontal last night.........
    Were you bent over a barrel?

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    given the shape of waki's belly when horizontal there's a fair share of vertical as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    given the shape of waki's belly when horizontal there's a fair share of vertical as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creatre View Post
    You'll find me outside with layers on layers and headlight/tailight year round so I can still train around these issues. No trainer for me.
    what're you using for a light setup? looking to invest in something this fall.

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    I'm going to do it the non-ratard0 way this year and get a legit base in. It's not that tough mentally to ride solo at that kind of pace but when I get into a group its hard to not go into vo2max on the climbs because I don't like getting dropped.

    I think I have no issues now adays because my fitness has improved quite a bit since the beginning of the year and even Z2 isn't that slow for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    My torso was horizontal last night.........
    Something I realized back in college. I can make any verb/non combination sound dirty.

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    and so on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    I do so much training in the drops. How does a car behind you see the vest if your torso is horizontal?
    I plan to do lots of this in the base period! Need to learn to ride in the drops more often...I feel like thats one of my biggest limiters. I can ride in the drops for about 10-20mins then naturally I get back on the hoods and never get back into the drops, ugh.
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    Yeah, I spend with all the combinations, but the drops seem to be the most useful around here. Generally, everywhere I'd be in the drops in a race, I am in training. Same with hoods, tops, and IAB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovoleg View Post
    I plan to do lots of this in the base period! Need to learn to ride in the drops more often...I feel like thats one of my biggest limiters. I can ride in the drops for about 10-20mins then naturally I get back on the hoods and never get back into the drops, ugh.
    I doubt that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    I doubt that.
    yeah it's not what I meant haha but when it comes to being aero on a bike I think it is. I hardly ever ride in the drops unless I am pulling or I'm sucking wind so hard that I'm tryign to do everything possible to limit the pain.
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    First few years riding (commuting) I was in the drops 95% of the time. It was so much more comfortable. First group ride i did surprised me when everyone stayed on the hoods/tops 90% of the ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
    First few years riding (commuting) I was in the drops 95% of the time. It was so much more comfortable. First group ride i did surprised me when everyone stayed on the hoods/tops 90% of the ride.
    Only time I touch my drops is when ramping up for a sprint, always been like that.
    Having the pin put in my wrist in 2010 further limited my use of the drops.
    Braking on the hoods is a non issue as I have hands like a vice.
    Without opening Pandora's box I don't think there is a 'right' place...
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    I just can't stand the feeling of the air pushing me back. Totally mental.

    A big turning point for me too was the aero testing on the cheap ride. For me, it makes a pretty huge difference to be in the drops (maybe more because I'm tall).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    Braking on the hoods is a non issue as I have hands like a vice..
    at least on the back brake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    I just can't stand the feeling of the air pushing me back. Totally mental.

    A big turning point for me too was the aero testing on the cheap ride. For me, it makes a pretty huge difference to be in the drops (maybe more because I'm tall).
    I'm so wide through the shoulders it doesn't make a difference plus my saddle to bar drop is so huge that the guys in the 41 would spank their monkey over it so I am really low to begin with.
    I did switch from 44cm to 42cm bars in 2010 which I really have come to prefer and they roll my shoulders in a little.

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    I've always ridden 99% of my time on the hoods. This year I'm planning on doing intervals at least twice a week in the drops to develop the muscles and become comfortable riding there, so I can start riding there in races. Figure that's another 2-5% advantage just from aero looking to next year.
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    I'm almost always in the drops when I do intervals. That's one way I tell myself that it's time to get down to business. Then again, I don't have that much seat-bar drop, only about 8cm. I can hold that position for well over a half hour.
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    2014 starts January 1st.

    Ok, seriously, when my base for next year starts depends on how motivated and fresh I feel. If I'm really raring to go, early December. If I need more time, early January. I'm planning to take a much more serious run at the fall next year, so rather than come flying into big spring targets like I did this year, I want to hit a peak around late May or early June, back way off and then come out swinging in September and October. Yeah, not the usual approach for the road, but road racing isn't the only discipline I care about . Given the length of season and that my best events are around an hour or less, if I start later I'll just do 8 weeks of base rather than 12 and that will probably be okay.

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    I am in my drops 100% of the time in crits, 90% of the time in RRs. I do all of my training in the drops. If I'm going above z3, I'm in my drops. /shrug way more comfortable for me.
    Attack in the feeling because it says I'll win absolutely.

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    I'm in the drops for any type of effort. If I start to get gassed in a race I remind myself to get lower and narrower. It's all part of racing smart, which is the only way some of us can even the playing field.

    I figure, if I ever get actually strong, all of those good habits will be sort of like a matching contribution. It's like getting 1.5 extra watts for every one I earn.
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