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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    In my experience the categories get easier as you go up.
    Easier to get dropped and find a hamburger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    What duration do you think the 5s are climbing for 5w/kg for? Not FTP, for sure.

    Patterson Pass RR in the E3s. I was a little too fat.
    http://www.strava.com/activities/72227708

    race is climbs
    * 20min x 4.2w/kg
    * 8min x 5w/kg -> which was my attack and it cut the field in half
    * 20min x 4.1w/kg
    * 9min x 4.3w/kg
    * 20min x 4w/kg -> there is where I got dropped off the lead group

    From when I got dropped, I rode a solo tempo for 15mi to the finish. I finished 12 or 60 or so, such was our lead after the first 2 laps.

    I did Diablo in 51:30 at 4.8w/kg. That put me on the 2nd page of Strava out of thousands, and fully half the top page is ToC riders. There are plenty of dudes faster than I am who don't indulge in the Strava, but 60min is generally considered "fast".

    A pure 5w/kg is like 16:45 on Old La Honda, for reference.

    It's a good goal to aim for, but in RRs, especially long ones, the overall duration of the climbs is usually below 1-hour threshold. Guys are typically holding a little bit back as no one wants to pull or be on the front AND be red-lined.

    At Boonville the first 5 minutes were at 5.5w/kg, and the leader cut the group from 30 to 5 people.

    The full long climb was 26min at 4.4w/kg and the leader was a minute clear OTF, and I was in 2nd with one other rider who stayed with me. Our group times mirrored the times from the p12 race in the KoM timing.

    http://www.strava.com/activities/63681683

    5w/kg is a huge number for for even 5 minutes in every race I've done.

    When I'm "on" I'm a good climber, even in the 3s. If there's anyone in the 5s with an ftp of 5w/kg they are the next Nate English and they'll be out of your and my hair soon enough.
    Idk, since Winters climb was too short to really judge others' strengths well, I'm pretty much going off mt tam hill climb, in which the winner was 6 or 7 minutes in front of me. Could just be a few pure threshold climbers out for that one race, but I know I need a good bit more than I had at Winters as well (although I should have done better there)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    What duration do you think the 5s are climbing for 5w/kg for? Not FTP, for sure.

    Patterson Pass RR in the E3s. I was a little too fat.
    http://www.strava.com/activities/72227708

    race is climbs
    * 20min x 4.2w/kg
    * 8min x 5w/kg -> which was my attack and it cut the field in half
    * 20min x 4.1w/kg
    * 9min x 4.3w/kg
    * 20min x 4w/kg -> there is where I got dropped off the lead group

    From when I got dropped, I rode a solo tempo for 15mi to the finish. I finished 12 or 60 or so, such was our lead after the first 2 laps.

    I did Diablo in 51:30 at 4.8w/kg. That put me on the 2nd page of Strava out of thousands, and fully half the top page is ToC riders. There are plenty of dudes faster than I am who don't indulge in the Strava, but 60min is generally considered "fast".

    A pure 5w/kg is like 16:45 on Old La Honda, for reference.

    It's a good goal to aim for, but in RRs, especially long ones, the overall duration of the climbs is usually below 1-hour threshold. Guys are typically holding a little bit back as no one wants to pull or be on the front AND be red-lined.

    At Boonville the first 5 minutes were at 5.5w/kg, and the leader cut the group from 30 to 5 people.

    The full long climb was 26min at 4.4w/kg and the leader was a minute clear OTF, and I was in 2nd with one other rider who stayed with me. Our group times mirrored the times from the p12 race in the KoM timing.

    http://www.strava.com/activities/63681683

    5w/kg is a huge number for for even 5 minutes in every race I've done.

    When I'm "on" I'm a good climber, even in the 3s. If there's anyone in the 5s with an ftp of 5w/kg they are the next Nate English and they'll be out of your and my hair soon enough.


    Johnny's brother, I presume


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    hahahahahhahahahahaahhahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    In my experience the categories get easier as you go up.
    say wot mate
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    If you read the posts sequentially and follow along the sarcasm isn't nearly as difficult to ferret out as one might think. They even have handy little numbers to keep us from getting lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovoleg View Post
    say wot mate
    sure. go up. 5 is easier than 4 is easier than 3, right?

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    Semantics are fun!

    I'll attempt to be a little helpful:

    I have similarish w/kg as Ygduf. Lower, but not by too much (in some cases higher than his efforts at Patterson). I'm a 4 and I haven't yet cracked top 10 in a 4's race. I'm not trying to prove that 4's are hard and you need 5+w/kg to win; you don't. What I'm trying to say is, pure w/kg is great but doesn't come close to being the silver bullet for taking home a podium.

    When I was racing 5's I was regularly in the top10 and I know I was slower then than I am now. Don't get caught up in magical numbers, just train weaknesses and go race. Results will come... maybe.
    Last edited by Jandro; 10-16-13 at 06:32 PM.
    Attack in the feeling because it says I'll win absolutely.

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