i don't generally feel the need to engage you at that level; it is easier to move on. i'm simply saying that the way i read threads (most of the time it is a page or 3 at a time) that happen to include your posts, i often see you say one thing, then retreat behind an excuse that amounts to 'i wasn't serious' or 'you got it wrong'. if you were a dumb guy, i'd believe you didn't know exactly what you were doing.
like i said before, i think it is probably the way you express things. unlike when others do so, when you are being 'devil's advocate' it tends to come across to me (whether you agree or not) as dismissive of others' accomplishments/goals (sometimes) or a gratuitous argument on the position (others). this may come as a shock to you as you seem to regard yourself as someone who is very tolerant of others' differences -- it rarely if ever reads that way to me in the way you express your counterpoints.
Originally Posted by ygduf
^^^ since it happens to be one post above, i guess i'll use this as an example.
well, i'm not sure there is ever an endgame in life (other than death), professional or not. win the TdF? go win another. one might argue that winning at nationals is an endgame -- it is an achievement at the top level -- but of course there is always more. i'm not sure amateur athletics need and endgame to be life-changing. the process is pretty life-changing.
i suspect for someone that has the drive, the ability and the willingness to make the necessary sacrifices -- probably over many years -- that it takes to win at nationals or a similar level (even if it is at the amateur level), it IS life-changing. not winning does not preclude someone from having life-changing experiences, too.
maybe the very fact that it IS amateur sport makes it more meaningful: these people (people on this forum) have jobs, kids, pets, other hobbies, and still fit sport into it, and at the highest level of amateur sport at that. the masters athletes i know (a few national champs, included) are often extremely interesting individuals. once it becomes professional, it's a job and possibly even more one-dimensional.
perhaps it would be better to hear from someone who competes at the top amateur level as to whether that experience changes their lives rather than from someone who doesn't yet race at that level?
i think you can wild for a few hours with your broad blanket statements that are just on this page. here are just a few. have fun!Originally Posted by ygduf
Originally Posted by ygduf
Did I not list the interaction with GSB as something that went awry, only to receive a weirdly hostile response where he indicates he believes I have an issue with him?
I've said it 800x. Everyone in here has more in common that most stranger-stranger relationships.
I would be more worried if I had issues getting along IRL.
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anyway…cat 2 doesn't all race the same as cat 1, so you kinda have to upgrade, creatre!
battenkill (you raced it, right?) has a separate cat 1 race. cascade (you want to do stage races…this is a great one) has a pro/1 field. gila has a 1/2, but that's different from the p/1 race (you'd have to guest ride for that, though, so that's another issue).
anyway, endgames are all personal. my own 'endgame' with cycling has lots more to do with overall health and stuff off the bike, but racing (and hopefully winning sometimes) along the way sure makes the path enjoyable.
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Also I rode with a guy 2 months ago who was wearing an old yellow kit but it was completely see through, I could see his butt and his junk from the back...Needless to say I just rode in the front and avoided looking at him.
anon bro, thats where its at!
if a 1st time poster comes on and writes what gsteinb wrote about me, i'd think about it in a different light. sometimes the content AND the commenter matter.
rkwaki was more polite in an early post when he referenced your opinion of yourself. you don't exactly come off as someone who thinks they have anything to learn.
i know, shocker, right?
anyway, i think you've proven the point.
regionally we have p123 races and as a masters-level (read: i'm old!) athlete, categories make even less of a difference.
that said, there is a particular p/1 race i'd love to do at some point, though i may never get there. i find joy in applying myself to try to make it. (i believe i will make it.)
I also noticed early on with this sport that age isn't such a big deal. It helps to be young but I've been repeatedly dropped by dudes 10+ years older than me, consistently. I think at 60 it starts to go downhill but until then you can still be super competitive haha. I think the cycling sweet spot after some experience is 30-40.
Just my guess
Honest question with zero implied sarcasm: what point did I prove?
In case there is some "wiggle room" remaining, I don't know ****. I only know what I did and how it turned out. That's it.
Don't think that because I believe there might be more than 1 path to the same destination that I don't value knowing how you got there. I think maybe that's what's being lost. I'm never intending to say "don't do this or that". I'm honestly only ever saying "this is my datapoint for what I did and how it turned out".
you said: I fall victim to the temptation to point out exemptions to broad blanket statements, though. I recognize that.
You posted your interpretation of what I wrote as an example of a blanket statement.
I think we should all just hug each other.
My perception that everyone here are bff's is apparently wrong. I'd just like to say that I was on the 'you don't need one' before it was cool.
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