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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post

    <zing!>



    Seriously though, I haven't had kit like that in months.
    you made me curious to see (or revisit) my angle.

    my descending skills on a bike have always been mediocre. on skis, well, that's something different.


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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    you made me curious to see (or revisit) my angle.

    my descending skills on a bike have always been mediocre. on skis, well, that's something different.


    When cornering your tongue should be pointed towards the apex of the turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramercy View Post
    Why do racers generally kick out their inside knee during a turn? Do they do this while trying to keep their weight on their outside leg/foot?
    I just did it automatically on my first descent. I don't do it as much anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    you made me curious to see (or revisit) my angle.

    my descending skills on a bike have always been mediocre. on skis, well, that's something different.

    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    When cornering your tongue should be pointed towards the apex of the turn.
    Or, should it point toward intended exit point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigfred View Post
    Or, should it point toward intended exit point?
    Should point through​ the turn.
    Attack in the feeling because it says I'll win absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    When cornering your tongue should be pointed towards the apex of the turn.
    Id all a beg doke dill domeone bide dar dung off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
    So you got really damn good at cornering in one direction.
    Actually, yes. Now that you mention it.

    But it's also human nature (for lack of a better term) to corner better to the left than to the right, which is why running tracks and velodromes go CCW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandro View Post
    Should point through​ the turn.
    And if I fear there are Oreo crumbs stuck in the corner of my mouth?

    Does a flick to the side really have the potential to upset my balance that much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
    Actually, yes. Now that you mention it.

    But it's also human nature (for lack of a better term) to corner better to the left than to the right, which is why running tracks and velodromes go CCW.
    Do you have a link to any supporting studies proving this? I always figured it was just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigfred View Post
    Do you have a link to any supporting studies proving this? I always figured it was just me.
    Supposedly has to do with where the human heart is situated. Heavy to one side.
    That's why left turns feel more natural and easy.
    At least for me, they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
    Actually, yes. Now that you mention it.

    But it's also human nature (for lack of a better term) to corner better to the left than to the right, which is why running tracks and velodromes go CCW.
    What about Zoolander?
    Can't turn left.jpg

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    botto, that's a sweet jersey you've got on in that pic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YMCA View Post
    Supposedly has to do with where the human heart is situated. Heavy to one side.
    That's why left turns feel more natural and easy.
    At least for me, they do.
    I'd bet you it has more to do with right-side dominance, though of what (eye, hand, leg) I don't know. Just to be different, I'm better at right turns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    When cornering your tongue should be pointed towards the apex of the turn.
    true. i think i even read that in lemond's book.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigfred View Post
    Or, should it point toward intended exit point?
    Hairpin into a uphill stretch? Heh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grolby View Post
    I'd bet you it has more to do with right-side dominance, though of what (eye, hand, leg) I don't know. Just to be different, I'm better at right turns.
    I think it was Eddy B that said that since your heart is on the left side of your body you can turn left better.

    Is your heart on the right side of your body?
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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    you made me curious to see (or revisit) my angle.

    my descending skills on a bike have always been mediocre. on skis, well, that's something different.

    I wish I had some usable footage from that one race. You were blasting through the big downhill turn (Turn 2). Well Turn 1 also. And 3. And 4.

    I am literally snickering at the keyboard thinking about you yelling that you were attacking as you were attacking. That was hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
    I think it was Eddy B that said...
    I think you're right. I got it from Mike Walden. Same diff...

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    I'm a terrible descender, I'd like to blame this turn:

    GMR_CRASH.jpg

    Right before this turn I hit a rock shale at 35+ mph which cut my tire all the way across the rim. The only thing I could do was bleed the brakes until I hit the berm. When I reached the dirt I turned hard and laid it out. Overall, the damage wasn't that bad, but I didn't descend fast for years. During races when it counted I could descend okay, but nothing technical. Working on it the last few months since its safer to learn descending in training instead of winging it in a race.
    judging from what you post on here it seems having a powermeter has caused you to focus on ewang numbers without much a focus on developing actual fitness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post
    I'm a terrible descender, I'd like to blame this turn:

    GMR_CRASH.jpg

    Right before this turn I hit a rock shale at 35+ mph which cut my tire all the way across the rim. The only thing I could do was bleed the brakes until I hit the berm. When I reached the dirt I turned hard and laid it out. Overall, the damage wasn't that bad, but I didn't descend fast for years. During races when it counted I could descend okay, but nothing technical. Working on it the last few months since its safer to learn descending in training instead of winging it in a race.
    My first ever descent was on my first real group ride. I didn't even know cyclists climbed hills and we climbed this 2000+ ft winding hill. I had no idea what to expect in the descent. I had no clue how much to slow down and I rode off the side and crashed 2/3 of the way down. I think that REALLY helped get me decent at descending right from the start. I've absolute LOVED fast technical descents ever since. Until I started racing, it was the primary reason to climb haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
    My first ever descent was on my first real group ride. I didn't even know cyclists climbed hills and we climbed this 2000+ ft winding hill. I had no idea what to expect in the descent. I had no clue how much to slow down and I rode off the side and crashed 2/3 of the way down. I think that REALLY helped get me decent at descending right from the start. I've absolute LOVED fast technical descents ever since. Until I started racing, it was the primary reason to climb haha
    Therein lies the reason you hang out in the 33.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
    My first ever descent was on my first real group ride. I didn't even know cyclists climbed hills and we climbed this 2000+ ft winding hill. I had no idea what to expect in the descent. I had no clue how much to slow down and I rode off the side and crashed 2/3 of the way down. I think that REALLY helped get me decent at descending right from the start. I've absolute LOVED fast technical descents ever since. Until I started racing, it was the primary reason to climb haha
    I'm with you on that one. If not for the ride down, why go through all the pain of getting to the top?
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    Quote Originally Posted by himespau View Post
    I'm with you on that one. If not for the ride down, why go through all the pain of getting to the top?

    I'd agree with that. I dread climbing and if it weren't for the descents, I am not sure I could convince myself to do them. That also might be why I get killed in hilly races

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    Quote Originally Posted by hack View Post
    I'd agree with that. I dread climbing and if it weren't for the descents, I am not sure I could convince myself to do them. That also might be why I get killed in hilly races
    I'm a big fella and I love to climb, descending? Meh but I do love to go up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    I'm a big fella and I love to climb, descending? Meh but I do love to go up...
    As a fellow bigger guy, I need to learn that love of going up. It may be that when I did get conned into hillier rides I'm usually with the skinny folk and they promtly drop me and I get discouraged. So...miserably work on a weakness to make it less of a weakness (will never be a strength) is what I probably should be doing. Especially this time of year.

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