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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    I'm a big fella and I love to climb, descending? Meh but I do love to go up...
    I hear that you like to descend, too, especially going down south of the boarder

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    I love climbing, but have never been a climber. The climbers I train with dish it out on the hills, but they know I'll pay them back in the crosswinds. In races, it's a different story though, as I'm only able to survive the hills around here -- not really to use them to my advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    I'm a big fella and I love to climb, descending? Meh but I do love to go up...

    I prefer climbing to descending most days. Despite, or maybe because of, my size I enjoy serving pain out on the uphill. Downhills are just opportunities for further clavicle surgeries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    I love climbing, but have never been a climber. The climbers I train with dish it out on the hills, but they know I'll pay them back in the crosswinds. In races, it's a different story though, as I'm only able to survive the hills around here -- not really to use them to my advantage.
    Yep. I've learned to like climbing solo or in group rides. Problem is in races, everyone else seems to think the goal is to get over the climb first and drop me. How dare they!

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    I love climbing, but have never been a climber. The climbers I train with dish it out on the hills, but they know I'll pay them back in the crosswinds. In races, it's a different story though, as I'm only able to survive the hills around here -- not really to use them to my advantage.
    I'm thinking this is the best I can hope for. Hide in the pack to conserve energy prior to hills, burn it all going up the hills, recover on down hill, repeat.

    I ended last season with two really bad crit performances in technical crits with a couple of small climbs. I was just thrashed about 20 minutes in. The hills were compounded by the accerlations out of each turn and I just couldn't hang...and my fitness sucked/sucks. Those were the only races I'd been pulled from and it was no fun at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hack View Post
    As a fellow bigger guy, I need to learn that love of going up. It may be that when I did get conned into hillier rides I'm usually with the skinny folk and they promtly drop me and I get discouraged. So...miserably work on a weakness to make it less of a weakness (will never be a strength) is what I probably should be doing. Especially this time of year.
    You must also learn how to climb. Redlining early on to keep up will kill you as the ride progresses. Learn to get to the front at the base and you set tempo on the way up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    You must also learn how to climb. Redlining early on to keep up will kill you as the ride progresses. Learn to get to the front at the base and you set tempo on the way up...
    that's a good practice unless you have to red line to get to the front at the base, then yer effed if the climb is long enough or doesnt have a descent to catch back on (ask me how i know ). also, with climbing, at some point you either got it or you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    you made me curious to see (or revisit) my angle.

    my descending skills on a bike have always been mediocre. on skis, well, that's something different.
    why do you think that is? the biomechanics are pretty similar - weight on outside leg, tuck like position, ouside arm high(er), etc.

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    I enjoy climbing more, which is real easy to say when I'm sitting at a desk and not redlining on a 10% grade. Descending is okay but those 10+ mile descents get boring.

    I never really knew how to climb until I got a powermeter. I always went out way too hard at the beginning and got spit off the back. Now I just estimate what watts I can hold for the duration and make sure my HR stays below a certain number. Next season I should be 20% lighter and 20-30% stronger, hopefully this will be enough for me to keep up with the lead group (I'll miss my friends in the back).

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    I like the descent off Cadillac mountain in Maine. The descent from the top of Whiteface is a total drag. The road is terrible and you have to ride the brakes. It's also cold as all get out. I'll take climbing any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post
    I enjoy climbing more, which is real easy to say when I'm sitting at a desk and not redlining on a 10% grade. Descending is okay but those 10+ mile descents get boring.

    I never really knew how to climb until I got a powermeter. I always went out way too hard at the beginning and got spit off the back. Now I just estimate what watts I can hold for the duration and make sure my HR stays below a certain number. Next season I should be 20% lighter and 20-30% stronger, hopefully this will be enough for me to keep up with the lead group (I'll miss my friends in the back).
    Haha 90% of people in B ride/meetup type of rides do this. I never know why. They shoot forward and out of site, and 5 to 15 minutes later I ride past them. I can set my RPE by time required pretty accurately.

    In the harder rides, they shoot forward and out of sight, and I see them at the top haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    Downhills are just opportunities for further clavicle surgeries.
    This is how I feel. "Just make it down safely" is my motto once I crest a hill v_v

    Strangely enough, I really enjoy descents on really crappy roads. It makes it feel like a mountain bike descent

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    I know some of you guys have done Everest Challenge; how big of an element is the descending? Do they factor into the finish or do the climbs blow everyone apart enough to make them a non factor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    You must also learn how to climb. Redlining early on to keep up will kill you as the ride progresses. Learn to get to the front at the base and you set tempo on the way up...
    Learn to climb? Who has the time for that? But really...yeah, a good tempo that can be maintained sounds ideal. I just need to spend more time in the hills finding out what that is for me. Sadly, I may have to be well ahead of the pack at the base for my tempo to not leave me dropped by the time the hill is finished

    I've almost notched a full year on the bike now and am happy with the progress, but racing and race rides leave me wanting soooo much more. I've spent the last 4+ years in the gym doing strength work (deadlift, squat, repeat) and had the occasional conditioning day, so I've got a good amount of bulk that I'm losing. Unfortunately, some of that is muscle mass in the legs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
    why do you think that is? the biomechanics are pretty similar - weight on outside leg, tuck like position, ouside arm high(er), etc.
    because i've learned that sliding on snow is quite different than sliding on tarmac.
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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    because i've learned that sliding on is quite different than sliding on tarmac.

    shhhh. i dont need to hear that.

    i've honestly never gotten "scared" going fast on a bike, but I have on skiis. then again, i'm an MD transplant by way of PA, no one with those kinds of roots can ski worth a damn.

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    My 10 speed Shimano sell-off is in the Classifieds-For Sale section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    I prefer climbing to descending most days.
    I greatly prefer climbing to descending between November and March. I wish there were routes that were all uphill.

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    oldest pic ever, and not yet near the apex, but we're all doing this now right?



    ^^ hairy legs!

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    Based on the pictures it seems like everyone leans a touch bit more than the bike? I couldn't remember which way it went but that seems to be the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    because i've learned that sliding on snow is quite different than sliding on tarmac.
    Come out west if it ever snows. This is 15 minutes from my place:



    Some of the Chutes are definitely garage sales if you get behind in your turning. Epic on a good day though.

    Mrs. Ex blew her knee out on one of the groomed runs there.

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    sierra cement?

    i've never skied mt. rose, drove by it a couple of times on the way to tahoe from reno. we made some turns at sierra at tahoe, heavenly, and squaw. beautiful area, best views i've ever had on skiis, but my limited skill set wasnt crazy about the wet/heavy snow and hard bumps.

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    For all the CO skiing I do, I am starting to really miss Utah. I used to love hiking up off the Juipter Peak lift at the top of park city. You hike another 500(?) feet elevation to the top of the resort, and you have 270° of steep powder off the top. Even on the busiest Saturday, there'd be only one or two sets of tracks up there b/c most Park City customers won't hike. All in bounds too (avalanche controlled).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    Come out west if it ever snows. This is 15 minutes from my place:



    Some of the Chutes are definitely garage sales if you get behind in your turning. Epic on a good day though.
    Nice!

    The beginning reminds me of the beginning of a CX race...waiting waiting waiting then go! and run over anybody, as necessary, to get to the good stuff...

    PS the skier's skis are a bit too close together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    For all the CO skiing I do, I am starting to really miss Utah.
    As a Coloradoan, we do have it good, but I am in the (locally unpopular) camp that there is even better skiing elsewhere...eg Utah does have far more challenging terrain, equally great weather, and even better snow...and none of the I-70 bull****.

    And I bet TetonRider could weigh in similarly.
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