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Old 12-06-13, 08:57 AM   #376
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Interesting. Ncvc seems like a lot of man power without much to show for it. I'm really not looking forward to the day i upgrade to cat-2.
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^they're a big big club with some good racers and lots of results, but it's kind of cyclical who has enough top riders to really control things. last year at page valley, it was kelly ... and you should look forward to upgrading to a 2. the racing is way more fun (this coming from someone who is admittedly at the edge of his talent racing at that level).
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i probably could. where i chose to make my home was not at all an accident. aside from terrain, the inaccessibility of the area and our isolation can make it frustrating sometimes but also means that visitors tend to treat it with a bit more reverence.

i'm a little biased, but i think in terms of beauty (and ski terrain), winter is hard to beat here.







you don't need lift tickets to ski...and i've had a whole bunch of years where i've skied 200 days (without traveling to the southern hemisphere). admittedly, that's a bit obsessive.




there's some good backcountry stuff outside of elko. look up the line 'terminal cancer'; it's a classic.



people love to hate on maritime snowpacks, but they can turn cliffs into skiable lines in one storm cycle and generally provide a bomber snowpack, at least as soon as it stops storming.

the downside to utah's 3-4% blower is that it takes 20+ feet of snow to make resorts like snowbird skiable.

as we say around here...jackson sucks; tell your friends!

one of my favorite days--a shot i took of my friend from an early november storm cycle. chest deep!


i am a snow geek. surface hoar from an october storm. i bike up this pass in the summer and climb/ski it in the fall/winter/spring. surface hoar = fun skiing but buried surface hoar = scary avy conditions.


no lift-tickets required, grolby! ;-) another shot of a friend going down, down, down the apocalypse couloir.
Eh, sure, no lift tickets, but a hell of a lot of work to ski backcountry. I'm into skiing for the skiing, less so the hiking. The payoff might be bigger out west, where there's generally more vertical feet. Admittedly, I've never tried backcountry skiing. Got myself some backcountry skis, but they're way on the XC side - double camber, backcountry three-pin bindings. Unfortunately, waxless - finding waxable XC skis when you're 19 years old and the only place you know to look is EMS can be pretty tough. Anyway, they've got edges so they're slightly less terrifying than traditional XC skis when pointed downhill, but only slightly. Getting down a hill by making telemark turns on double-cambered skis with floppy backcountry boots is... exciting. And difficult. I didn't stick with it, because I figured out it was a lot easier to get out my front door on a bike. If I'm going to go downhill, I like alpine skis. It's like Easy Mode. On the plus side, the wider backcountry-style XC skis are pretty nice for skiing trails outside of a groomed skiing center. Traditional XC skis, when it isn't groomed or very, very shallow, is kind of like riding a road bike on MTB trails. It's possible, but it's not as much fun.
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Interesting. Ncvc seems like a lot of man power without much to show for it. I'm really not looking forward to the day i upgrade to cat-2.
Thanks to a smaller racing scene in TN, I got to do a lot of 1/2/3 races last year. Yes, it's hard, but the racing is HUGE fun. I'm not in a huge hurry to get to cat 2 (though I wouldn't mind managing it in the next couple seasons), but I would like to eventually simply because of how much more exciting and frenetic the racing is.
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Thanks to a smaller racing scene in TN, I got to do a lot of 1/2/3 races last year. Yes, it's hard, but the racing is HUGE fun. I'm not in a huge hurry to get to cat 2 (though I wouldn't mind managing it in the next couple seasons), but I would like to eventually simply because of how much more exciting and frenetic the racing is.
I think the good thing about the scene here is that you had the chance to race against a group that has the horsepower to mix it up just about anywhere and you did well at it.
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I think the good thing about the scene here is that you had the chance to race against a group that has the horsepower to mix it up just about anywhere and you did well at it.
Aw, thanks. Seriously, I am a bit sad to have had to left when I did, I was really starting to find my feet in the 1/2/3 crits. But thanks to being crashed out by someone else for one of the 1,000 times this season, I was never able to get the good result it was beginning to look like I was capable of. In mid-June, I was riding in the top 10 no problem at all, just about to get into the lap cards, then BAM. Sat out the next week, was too smoked from the weekend the week after that to do anything. And that was that. But there will be other seasons and other races!
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Eh, sure, no lift tickets, but a hell of a lot of work to ski backcountry. I'm into skiing for the skiing, less so the hiking. The payoff might be bigger out west, where there's generally more vertical feet. Admittedly, I've never tried backcountry skiing. Got myself some backcountry skis, but they're way on the XC side - double camber, backcountry three-pin bindings. Unfortunately, waxless - finding waxable XC skis when you're 19 years old and the only place you know to look is EMS can be pretty tough. Anyway, they've got edges so they're slightly less terrifying than traditional XC skis when pointed downhill, but only slightly. Getting down a hill by making telemark turns on double-cambered skis with floppy backcountry boots is... exciting. And difficult. I didn't stick with it, because I figured out it was a lot easier to get out my front door on a bike. If I'm going to go downhill, I like alpine skis. It's like Easy Mode. On the plus side, the wider backcountry-style XC skis are pretty nice for skiing trails outside of a groomed skiing center. Traditional XC skis, when it isn't groomed or very, very shallow, is kind of like riding a road bike on MTB trails. It's possible, but it's not as much fun.
hey, grolby--
yeah, you're basically talking about old nordic gear. when i used to do nordic skiing, on big snow days we'd occasionally take our skate skis and head through deep pow. if you are familiar with skate skis, you know how ridiculous that is. i feel you.

when one is technically accomplished it's possible to ski downhill and exert basically no effort (if one chooses); adding in the ascent gives you both a workout and the exhilaration. you can hike or skin with really good skis on your back or feet (look up 'randonee' or 'AT/alpine' touring boots & bindings to see how far they've come). then again, people have thrown down some mind-blowing lines on 3-pin bindings and leather boots.

anyway, backcountry can mean technical climbing on steep terrain using crampons and axes (we ski the grand teton, for example), or it can mean a mellow walk/skin to do some meadow-skipping. all depends on the day, stability of the snowpack, technical ability and desire.

as water rockets pointed out, there's also hike-to terrain where one uses the lifts as a starting point.

we're on a cycling forum where people are talking about how they prefer the climb to the descent, so talking about earning one's turns when someone brings up having to pay to ski is fair game.

c'mon out. i guarantee you will spot some lines that look amazing to you -- and get you to think 'i wonder what it would be like to ski that."



looking out my window--the base of this is a 5-minute drive. i'll let you guess which tracks are mine.


meadow-skipping...


a shot of my buddy skiing said meadow--it could be
​you!


this is a short (~30-45') hike from a lift a the local resort:
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^i'm in. consider me a "cat 4 all terrain that is in bounds" guy with a descent set of lungs, whose skills require great exertion going downhill.
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^i'm in. consider me a "cat 4 all terrain that is in bounds" guy with a descent set of lungs, whose skills require great exertion going downhill.
don't be so modest. You are a cat-3 breakaway artist who gets chicked in a TT .

jest aside, my goal next year for church creek is not to get chicked by the said racer on your team.
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Everyone should be doing long Z1 rides right now.
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I got Randonee bindings for my back country skis (the whole telemark thing is just too hackysack for me) and some skins and adjustable poles. I pretty much ski trees and steeps when I went to the resorts anyway and liked the skis so much that I parked my standard boards.

Winter time it was a great way to get a hard aerobic altitude session (20 minute intervals to 10,400') plus strength training on the way down.

Don't have cool Teton-like shots but here's the (not level) playing field:



The avalanche thing was definitely a concern at times. For years the Chutes on Mt. Rose proper were closed and every year someone would get buried there. They opened them when they had enough avalanche control in place. You knew it was going to be a good day when you heard cannons and bombs in the morning.

You know, if I was a still a moderator I'd probably pull this skiing stuff out into a separate thread. But I'm not.
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Too much modern stuff on that bike. The real fun of the old Z1 was trying to make it stop and go around corners.
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who pissed in your morning espresso?

jest aside, hope you aren't getting too grouchy from the back issues
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hey, grolby--
yeah, you're basically talking about old nordic gear. when i used to do nordic skiing, on big snow days we'd occasionally take our skate skis and head through deep pow. if you are familiar with skate skis, you know how ridiculous that is. i feel you.

when one is technically accomplished it's possible to ski downhill and exert basically no effort (if one chooses); adding in the ascent gives you both a workout and the exhilaration. you can hike or skin with really good skis on your back or feet (look up 'randonee' or 'AT/alpine' touring boots & bindings to see how far they've come). then again, people have thrown down some mind-blowing lines on 3-pin bindings and leather boots.

anyway, backcountry can mean technical climbing on steep terrain using crampons and axes (we ski the grand teton, for example), or it can mean a mellow walk/skin to do some meadow-skipping. all depends on the day, stability of the snowpack, technical ability and desire.

as water rockets pointed out, there's also hike-to terrain where one uses the lifts as a starting point.

we're on a cycling forum where people are talking about how they prefer the climb to the descent, so talking about earning one's turns when someone brings up having to pay to ski is fair game.

c'mon out. i guarantee you will spot some lines that look amazing to you -- and get you to think 'i wonder what it would be like to ski that."



looking out my window--the base of this is a 5-minute drive. i'll let you guess which tracks are mine.


meadow-skipping...


a shot of my buddy skiing said meadow--it could be
​you!


this is a short (~30-45') hike from a lift a the local resort:
Haha. Skate skis in powder sounds utterly preposterous. Bet it was fun, though. I remember a few times in high school, going out on basically ski hikes through the woods behind the school. There was a pretty big hill out there with what a nice, relatively straight trail going basically straight downslope (luckily, a fairly gentle slope) to a hard left. It was basically covered in ice, and we would point our floppy school property skis with ill-fitting NNN boots down that hill and let 'er rip. I would be sh***ing bricks the whole way down, but it was pretty awesome.

Don't get me wrong, this is all familiar stuff. When I was that age, I spent some time kicking around on ski forums and the like. I remember some pretty spirited debate between the AT skiers and telemarkers. As I recall, the latter pretty much thought the former were a bunch of wusses.

I would absolutely love to someday have time and money for a second outdoor sport. Skiing was pretty good fun when I was doing it. I sincerely might try introducing my wife to it and see how things go, and the backcountry/hiking side of it will probably appeal to her.

But I should clarify that I'm not one of those liars who claims to enjoy the climb more than the descent . Nothing against climbing, though I suck at it, but I prefer going downhill!
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I agree, but the guys who bought them back then didn't care too much about that. My barracksmate at Ft. Carson had one; he's the guy who got me into motorcycles.
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anyway, backcountry can mean technical climbing on steep terrain using crampons and axes (we ski the grand teton, for example), or it can mean a mellow walk/skin to do some meadow-skipping. all depends on the day, stability of the snowpack, technical ability and desire.
Backcountry around here means skiing the MTB trails. There's even an organized night MTB ride that switches to being a night XC ski on the same ridge. XCD type skis are the tool for the job, plus some reasonably stiff boots. It's really, really fun.

It's amazing to me how much heat you can generate skiing a flowy MTB trail with lots of ups and downs. It's almost literally impossible to be underdressed. Just don't stop for any reason
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The avalanche thing was definitely a concern at times. For years the Chutes on Mt. Rose proper were closed and every year someone would get buried there. They opened them when they had enough avalanche control in place. You knew it was going to be a good day when you heard cannons and bombs in the morning.

You know, if I was a still a moderator I'd probably pull this skiing stuff out into a separate thread. But I'm not.
those chutes are so avy-prone. i've only ever skied them in the springtime, after rose was closed. (lived in tahoe for a bit, years ago.)

thread about drops = climbing, descending, moto, skiing…where will it take us next? at least you brought it back with the training aspect of the bc skiing.
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those chutes are so avy-prone. i've only ever skied them in the springtime, after rose was closed. (lived in tahoe for a bit, years ago.)

thread about drops = climbing, descending, moto, skiing…where will it take us next? at least you brought it back with the training aspect of the bc skiing.
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^i'm in. consider me a "cat 4 all terrain that is in bounds" guy with a descent set of lungs, whose skills require great exertion going downhill.
awesome! be careful what you wish for, though. this is inbounds: S&S couloir (the photog and skier are friends, though the skier moved away last year. he's in his 50s in that shot, so no excuses anyone! oh, yeah, and he's on (modern) tele gear. )

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But I should clarify that I'm not one of those liars who claims to enjoy the climb more than the descent . Nothing against climbing, though I suck at it, but I prefer going downhill!
it was preposterous…and fun. no way to take yourself seriously when skiing pow on skate skis.

i used to be all about the descent, but skiing is what got me into rock climbing and mountaineering (as a way to access ski terrain), and that got me more to hiking….and soon i was enjoying the ascent as much as the descent. and mountaineering & skiing injuries got me into cycling. without those injuries i would not be here. (some now wish i never got injured! )

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Backcountry around here means skiing the MTB trails. There's even an organized night MTB ride that switches to being a night XC ski on the same ridge. XCD type skis are the tool for the job, plus some reasonably stiff boots. It's really, really fun.

It's amazing to me how much heat you can generate skiing a flowy MTB trail with lots of ups and downs. It's almost literally impossible to be underdressed. Just don't stop for any reason
nordic, esp skating (IMO), is a brutal workout. i guess one can just chill, but if you're trying it certainly gets the blood flowing.

well, too much talk about skiing. off to ski. our tram opens tomorrow.
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doesnt every thread have a little twitter in it?
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doesnt every thread have a little twit in it?
Most do. He seems to show up in every thread (being deliberately vague so as to provide a moment of self-examination for everyone)

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it's raining out. should i be in the drops or should i go down to accounting and get a piece of the cake?
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