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    Probably the two biggest advantages to the drops are better aerodynamics and position stability. Much harder to lose a hand hold in the drops if you get bumped or hit something vs. the hoods. That said on loose surfaces or cobbles the tops seem to be the choice of most. Part of that is probably not having your taint pounded by the saddle.

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    I'm a big fan of questioning authority, especially when they say something like, "because it's always been done that away".

    But there's usually a reason why it's always been done that way. I just prefer to discover it on my own.

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    I ride in the drops quite a bit. I'll go to the drops more the longer my ride gets because my back hurts less when I'm in the drops. However the drops do give you more control in case something happens. If I think there's a chance of something happening I'll be in the drops. Since things can happen virtually at any time it means I'm on the drops a lot.

    I tend to stay in the drops for most group riding stuff on flats and downhills. On uphills I'm usually on the hoods (especially if standing) or tops.

    I'll do much of my JRA rides on the tops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
    I'm a big fan of questioning authority, especially when they say something like, "because it's always been done that away".

    But there's usually a reason why it's always been done that way. I just prefer to discover it on my own.
    Authority is one thing, experience is another. When some Cat5 thinks they've got it all figured out, they just look like an idiot.

    Loving the book BTW.

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    I'm in the drops right now.

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    You're the only guy I know who can ride the rollers in the drops and post to BF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    It's EX. And...

    hey look, it's Racer Ex's brother

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    It's EX. And...

    Ha! What makes you think I was referring to you, Grandpa?

    Most beginning racers do need to spend a lot more time in the drops. I don't 100% is required to be doing it right. Especially not when climbing. Descending and sprinting, on the other hand - I won't argue with those.

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    the worst offense, to me, is uphill sprints on the hoods and attacking on the hoods. You are trying to get separation and are basically giving yourself less chance from the get go.

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    Ya I rode today and like you said! the drops were so much better climbing and sprinting in. I hit 35 on my sprint I was cool with that. And that was in 27 degree weather. Lungs were cold lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by echappist View Post
    the worst offense, to me, is uphill sprints on the hoods and attacking on the hoods. You are trying to get separation and are basically giving yourself less chance from the get go.
    Because of aerodynamics? Not everyone gets the same power in similar positions. The power difference can overcome aerodynamics.

    Another consideration is weight balance in each position. I don't attack well on the hoods because my weight is too far forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echappist View Post
    the worst offense, to me, is uphill sprints on the hoods and attacking on the hoods. You are trying to get separation and are basically giving yourself less chance from the get go.
    meh. I have these things in between my arm bones that bend, and being on the ends of the hoods allows for a farther-forward position, which is key on some gradients.

    look at your profile pic: bend your elbows more, have your hands on the hoods and back in same position = more aero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echappist View Post
    the worst offense, to me, is uphill sprints on the hoods and attacking on the hoods. You are trying to get separation and are basically giving yourself less chance from the get go.

    The drops work best for me in both of those situations. When I've attacked while on the hoods I don't get as much of a jump as when in the hoods.
    I like pie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    meh. I have these things in between my arm bones that bend, and being on the ends of the hoods allows for a farther-forward position, which is key on some gradients.

    look at your profile pic: bend your elbows more, have your hands on the hoods and back in same position = more aero.
    Exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy STi View Post
    Exactly!
    exactly what? this was neither an attack nor an uphill sprint. In a normal sprint my chin is about 2-3 inches above the stem.

    Also, you conveniently neglected to comment on the first picture... In case it's not glaringly obvious, arms are bent.



    PS. I, too, happen to have some things in between my ulna and radius bones that bend. Who would have thought? Also, i dare you to do the climb in that photo with your position so far forward. Someone else actually tried that on a earlier section at 15% or so, and his rear wheel popped off of the ground as it was too steep and sandy, taking out himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
    Old time coaches like Mike Walden would tell you to be in the drops all the time.
    Serious question: what do modern coaches say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    Serious question: what do modern coaches say?
    Ha. It's all over the map.
    But I mentor through this advice.
    "Whatever works, do it. But try everything first"

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    I spend 99% of my time on the hoods....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    Probably the two biggest advantages to the drops are better aerodynamics and position stability. Much harder to lose a hand hold in the drops if you get bumped or hit something vs. the hoods. That said on loose surfaces or cobbles the tops seem to be the choice of most. Part of that is probably not having your taint pounded by the saddle.
    Taint is a funny word...
    "if you ride it the way it's meant to be ridden there's no way any wife is less of a ***** than a bicycle." - gstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    I spend 99% of my time on the hoods....
    99% of the two hours you ride a year…totally because you're too fat to bend over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    Taint is a funny word...
    ain't taint a funny word

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    i spend 99% of my time in the hood....
    fify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    99% of the two hours you ride a year…totally because you're too fat to bend over.
    I didn't say why I spent all of the 2 hours I ride in the hood...


    Don't hate me because I'm voluptuous...
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    Quote Originally Posted by YMCA View Post
    ain't taint a funny word
    Canoe is a funny word....

    Someone, please someone, ask why...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    Canoe is a funny word....

    Someone, please someone, ask why...
    ummmmm, why???

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