||11-28-13 01:36 AM
Originally Posted by bigfred
It was Carleton who initially posed the question about the single bolt systems.
Your point about the weight of Specialized components makes some of their decissions all the more confusing.
They truly are just pandering to the "style" they believe people will buy. But, they're there to make money, not convince us that what we actually need isn't what we think we want.
yessir…but it was carelton's post i initially quoted (with the reference to weight and posts and trade-offs). sorry for thinking it was you when you later replied questioning it.
i'm not sure i would use the term pandering
. pretty sure most people realize specialized is a company in it for the money.
also, i was just sharing an anecdote that even at their top-level bike they still have to make some trade-offs. the conversation i had with the engineers is actually how impressed they are (and these are skeptical types) with the way those decisions are made. the product manager ultimately makes the call.
yeah, seems weird to have a heavier post (why not have a vibration-absorbing AND light post?) on one's top-end bike, but when you think that they have actual production costs and margins that they want to hit…and when they've determined that $10,500 is the sweet-spot and not $10,650, they have to trim somewhere. the point from the engineers was that to their amazement they will take the input of the engineers and, say, not scale back on the quality of the suspension in this case but rather where it will do the least harm to the ride characteristics.
i found the anecdote interesting. big companies often get a bad rap when it comes to making decisions purely on numbers. was nice to hear that it is not only
about the #s
for them. these are guys who are not without options in terms of employment, so they were pleased that their work has an impact on the bikes that are offered for sale.
anyway, back somewhat to our regularly-scheduled topic: in this example, the post is not a proprietary size so it is easy enough for people to see the included post and buy a new one. i tend to prefer bikes with standard size posts as i usually swap them out for something that better meets my needs, but in the cases where i have bikes with proprietary posts at least there is some semblance of consistency (aero road frame gets an aero post; TT bike has an aero post).