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    Quote Originally Posted by thechemist View Post
    Glad you are ok! How did you like the evade?
    the Evade was pretty nice once you get over it's look and length. A tad heavier then the Giro Atmos it replaced, actually will have to go back to the Giro til I get another lid. You can feel the air flow through the helmet at about 22mph w/ normal winds. It was surprisingly comfy and don't notice the bulk once its one your head and moving. Never got to try it out in summer heat, only had it since beginning of December. Now that other colors are out I might lean towards them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thechemist View Post
    If it is raining at those temps I put all my food in liquid form. banana/protein shakes etc
    That's probably a smart idea. I considered putting some stuff in a gel flask to carry with me but thought I might need/want something solid. Live and learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrell View Post
    That's probably a smart idea. I considered putting some stuff in a gel flask to carry with me but thought I might need/want something solid. Live and learn.
    Yep, some days, nothing beats a sandwich. I had a PB&J on Sunday, among other things.

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    Enjoyed reading all of the reports. Some awesome early season reports! Very impressive. For those who have crashed. Heal up quickly. My racing activity this season will likely be entirely composed of reading what you guys are doing. I have a probable knee surgery coming up and I've gotten a bit fat . I am currently working on "You Are Your Own Gym" trying to just increase overall body strength and not spending as much time on the bike right now.

    Looking forward to continue reading your reports. They give me great joy! Subscried!

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    Folsom Winter Crit
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    Somewhere in the back third at the finish.

    First race as a cat 4. Loop about 1k with 2 right turns. Raining and windy. I don't own glasses and discovered the one time I would like them - rain. So it was hard to note landmarks for timing. There were 4 primes and I half heartedly went for the socks but didn't win it. Socks sounded good at the time haha! Race was mild and slow, and it stayed together. second turn was just before a slight incline/headwind to the finish. I was going to take the inside for wind protection but waited too long, got trapped, slowed down and by the time I came out of the turn I was waay too far back. Someone lost traction and crashed a few guys in the field sprint. I got around it but the guy in front of me didn't pull wide enough and a bike slid in front of him. Ambulance had to come onto the course, yikes!

    Kinda bummed about my lousy finish. Could have timed that better, especially if I could see the landmarks! Also maybe could have been more aggressive about keeping the pace up. We may as well have skipped right to the last half lap. At least I'm in my car and not an ambulance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
    Folsom Winter Crit
    Cat 4
    Somewhere in the back third at the finish.

    First race as a cat 4. Loop about 1k with 2 right turns. Raining and windy. I don't own glasses and discovered the one time I would like them - rain. So it was hard to note landmarks for timing. There were 4 primes and I half heartedly went for the socks but didn't win it. Socks sounded good at the time haha! Race was mild and slow, and it stayed together. second turn was just before a slight incline/headwind to the finish. I was going to take the inside for wind protection but waited too long, got trapped, slowed down and by the time I came out of the turn I was waay too far back. Someone lost traction and crashed a few guys in the field sprint. I got around it but the guy in front of me didn't pull wide enough and a bike slid in front of him. Ambulance had to come onto the course, yikes!

    Kinda bummed about my lousy finish. Could have timed that better, especially if I could see the landmarks! Also maybe could have been more aggressive about keeping the pace up. We may as well have skipped right to the last half lap. At least I'm in my car and not an ambulance!
    Glad you weren't hurt. Hope the one guy is ok. Nothing wrong with a pack finish early season/first 4 race. Solid job

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    in re: the race being slow, it is what it is. You would just work yourself over to "keep the pace up" if you're working alone.

    It's a learning experience going to a new group. Those guys all have more experience than you, so there will be a short learning curve. It's pretty normal.

    And glasses: in the rain you'd discover they are worse than useless in about 10 seconds. Even water-phobic lenses will obscure too much when there's a steady stream of gutter water spraying in your face.

    Anyway, at least you raced! I've been on a flight delay at SFO, sitting for the past 3 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
    Folsom Winter Crit
    Cat 4
    Somewhere in the back third at the finish.

    First race as a cat 4. Loop about 1k with 2 right turns. Raining and windy. I don't own glasses and discovered the one time I would like them - rain. So it was hard to note landmarks for timing. There were 4 primes and I half heartedly went for the socks but didn't win it. Socks sounded good at the time haha! Race was mild and slow, and it stayed together. second turn was just before a slight incline/headwind to the finish. I was going to take the inside for wind protection but waited too long, got trapped, slowed down and by the time I came out of the turn I was waay too far back. Someone lost traction and crashed a few guys in the field sprint. I got around it but the guy in front of me didn't pull wide enough and a bike slid in front of him. Ambulance had to come onto the course, yikes!

    Kinda bummed about my lousy finish. Could have timed that better, especially if I could see the landmarks! Also maybe could have been more aggressive about keeping the pace up. We may as well have skipped right to the last half lap. At least I'm in my car and not an ambulance!
    Hey at least you stayed upright! Experience points go a long way, though not quite as far as USAC points of course.

    I thought that course was flat but keep hearing about an incline.. maybe it wasn't enough to remember.
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    I want to win a cat 4 crit this year.
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    I've used the Evade in mid 80's temps late in 2013… it's not bad at those temps. The added weight is not that noticeable… I have a much light Giro super light as well. Evade is very aero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thechemist View Post
    Glad you weren't hurt. Hope the one guy is ok. Nothing wrong with a pack finish early season/first 4 race. Solid job
    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    in re: the race being slow, it is what it is. You would just work yourself over to "keep the pace up" if you're working alone.

    It's a learning experience going to a new group. Those guys all have more experience than you, so there will be a short learning curve. It's pretty normal.
    Yeah, that's what I'm telling myself. Anyway, at least fitness didn't give up the race by a long shot. That field sprint was just crazy though. Field was all bunched up through the last turn - new experience for me. Get to try again tomorrow! And next weekend, and the next, and the next and so on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    And glasses: in the rain you'd discover they are worse than useless in about 10 seconds. Even water-phobic lenses will obscure too much when there's a steady stream of gutter water spraying in your face.
    Do you ditch the glasses if you race in the rain? Not so sure glasses could be worse than the spray going directly to your eyes.

    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    Hey at least you stayed upright! Experience points go a long way, though not quite as far as USAC points of course.

    I thought that course was flat but keep hearing about an incline.. maybe it wasn't enough to remember.
    Yeah, I was psyching myself out about the conditions and not crashing, but it really wasn't that bad, other than the problems seeing the course. I'm sure the wide corners helped.
    The incline is REALLY shallow, like 1-2%. The wind made it feel steeper though.


    Edit:
    Just took a look at my data. Apparently it was 24.7 mph, which doesn't seem excessively slow in wind and rain. But NP was only 30w above AP. Maybe that's why it seemed slow. I think at the Early Birds it was more like a 50 to 60 watt difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
    Folsom Winter Crit
    Cat 4
    Somewhere in the back third at the finish.

    First race as a cat 4. Loop about 1k with 2 right turns. Raining and windy. I don't own glasses and discovered the one time I would like them - rain. So it was hard to note landmarks for timing. There were 4 primes and I half heartedly went for the socks but didn't win it. Socks sounded good at the time haha! Race was mild and slow, and it stayed together. second turn was just before a slight incline/headwind to the finish. I was going to take the inside for wind protection but waited too long, got trapped, slowed down and by the time I came out of the turn I was waay too far back. Someone lost traction and crashed a few guys in the field sprint. I got around it but the guy in front of me didn't pull wide enough and a bike slid in front of him. Ambulance had to come onto the course, yikes!

    Kinda bummed about my lousy finish. Could have timed that better, especially if I could see the landmarks! Also maybe could have been more aggressive about keeping the pace up. We may as well have skipped right to the last half lap. At least I'm in my car and not an ambulance!

    Shoot, I didn't realize you were coming up for this one. Also, I was the lucky one to go down...I'll write up something in a bit when I get home, but it wasn't weather related.

    Glad you missed running me over and a pack finish isn't too shabby for your first 4 race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    Hey at least you stayed upright! Experience points go a long way, though not quite as far as USAC points of course.

    I thought that course was flat but keep hearing about an incline.. maybe it wasn't enough to remember.
    What little incline there is (1%???) has a tailwind today. So, not too noticeable.

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    I race with glasses on in the rain, even after they get all greasy with road scum. Just slide them down on your nose a bit and look over them when you need to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hack View Post
    What little incline there is (1%???) has a tailwind today. So, not too noticeable.
    Pretty sure I felt a headwind each time around. Definitely noticed the hill.
    Hope you are ok after the crash!

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    I did one masive rain race and I had my glasses on the whole race. I had so much wheelspray in my face! I don't think I could endure that much spray without glasses, I would probably crash. If I did a race like that this year I wouldjust ride to the side or at the front to avoid getting so much wheespray. But when I did the race last year I was not in good form and honestly I was just happy not to get dropped.
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    Ever since I had a bee hit my eyeball during a descent (and crawl around for a few seconds) I wear eye protection.
    @aaronmcd sorry about the poor result, you didn't crash, you learned, and you are still hungry to do well. Stay positive!
    judging from what you post on here it seems having a powermeter has caused you to focus on ewang numbers without much a focus on developing actual fitness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
    Pretty sure I felt a headwind each time around. Definitely noticed the hill.
    Hope you are ok after the crash!
    After the first turn we drop a bit and start climbing about halfway through with a tailwind. Crosswind hits you up until turn two which is still climbing a bit, then the finishing straight is right into the wind and its flat to a bit of a climb. So, you're getting a full range of wind on that course. It's fast and usually safe...

    Ugh, in a world of pain, but could have been worse. Separated ac joint and some major contusions and swelling on my hip and back.

    The weather was interesting and I think folks made sure to take it a bit easier than normal for that course. I started with glasses, but ended up taking them off about halfway through as they were not doing much. I found it easier to just squint a bit and stay just off the rooster tail. My objective was to sit in and stay safe and was marking one rider in particular for the sprint that I knew would be strong. All went to plan but I started to get a bit boxed in just before the last turn. Coming out of the turn I was sitting around 20th (not good!!!) and the to 10 guys or so took off with a decent sprint. I saw a hole open up on the inside and I quickly got on my marks wheel and followed him until another hole opened up and I moved around him to try and break out of the traffic jam. Right at that moment there was a shift in the group, the hole closed, and I got pushed hard into the rider on my right. I did all I could to keep up and thought I was coming out of it, but then I just went right over the bars. Once contact was made speed dropped considerably, which is good.

    After that, things are bit of a blur. Head hit first, then hip, then the rider behind me collided. Not much he could do unfortunately. He was able to roll out of it and jog to the finish. I've never crashed in a race before and it flipping hurt ... a lot. After the other riders came through, I did a quick assessment, saw no blood, but my shoulder and hip were in agony. I was helped over to the EMT and got a quick checkout and hobbled over to my car with some help from others and just sat in my car for a bit. Called the wife and got a ride over to urgent care. They did a quick checkup were concerned that any time I stood up Id almost black out, so they sent me across the hall to the ER. They took some Xrays of the shoulder and hip, but ruled out a cat scan as I didn't lose consciousness during the crash. Hip is ok, but I've got a separated ac joint and a lump the size of a potato on my back. I was glad that they stopped talking concussion and broken collarbone. Looking at a few week down time or so.

    In retrospect, I tried to do too much with too little. I thought I had the hole and would have been able to get up in the points, but no such luck. Could have been avoided by being in a better spot before the turn or just submitting to a mid pack finish and not being so aggressive.
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    Crap, Hack. I saw video that caught the aftermath of your crash. I'm glad you weren't hurt worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caloso View Post
    Crap, Hack. I saw video that caught the aftermath of your crash. I'm glad you weren't hurt worse.
    Thanks. Also, quite happy I came out as lucky as I did. The EMTs were thinking concussion, collarbone, etc. Initially the docs were thinking concussion too, but ruled it out. Not sure how I got launched about 6 feet or so to the right.

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    Damn hack, sorry to hear! Heal up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    Damn hack, sorry to hear! Heal up.

    Thanks...could have been worse, so I'm feeling lucky. Especially after seeing a video of the crash and some pics. I came back and watched your race (I'm a bit of a junkie I guess), Mikes Bikes is looking strong and they race so well together.

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    Folsom Crit p/1/2's.. ugh. 14th, might as well be one millionth.

    Driving rain on the way out, considering turning around in Livermore when we could barely see the road! But it got slightly better.

    Didn't mind the driving rain in the race at all, it was the wind that really sucked. And the small field (22) made for one of those crits that I hate.. a small group, lots of wind.

    Break of 2 went off early, and groups eventually left from the front and the rear. I'd look back and all of a sudden six guys that were there were just gone!! (DNFs)

    We were a chase group of about 10 for a while, and at one point I came slightly off the back coming in to that last turn.. ugh the headwind! (20 mph?) I felt like I was doing about 5 mph on the finish straight. Anyway the follow car even came around me, but I clawed my way back to the group.

    Eventually four went away, and there were six of us left. A few attacks, one of which I countered, but of course the counter to my counter stuck and I was gassed. That left two of us, battling for not-DFL.

    Hoping tomorrow goes better!!
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    hack - Bummer about the crash, heal up well!
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    Ugh...hobbled out to check the bike over this AM. Top tube cracked on top and bottom. Not all the way around, but will warrant repair. Looks impact damage.

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