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Old 04-26-14, 07:35 PM   #1276
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No worries...didn't take it that way It was a good experience for me and also a good opportunity to learn more about the ever fluctuating dynamic of racing.
You guys went 1-2. You were getting gapped and dying, it was in both your interests to keep the break rolling. You stop pulling and either you get dropped and he wins or you both end up back in the pack which changes the dynamics; you could have easily watched a group counter and head off into the sunset. In any case you had already dumped your ass for 20 minutes and from reading your other race reports, it wasn't like you were going to win the field sprint after that effort.

You got a podium and goodwill, rode 100% committed in a race long break. You learned something.

Me, I'd say it was a good decision to cut a deal at the point you did. It's easy to hose a break and yourself in the process.
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Old 04-27-14, 07:00 AM   #1277
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I'll be jovial enough to give everyone their weekend laugh...
Tour of Page County, my first full road race (I got pulled from my last one in freezing rain). Anyhow 46 miles, laps of just over 11 miles each. As before my main goals were to finish, not come in last and to make the cutoff for the next day's TT and Crit. I started out with main group trying my hand at slipping back as I needed to, stayed with the main herd for almost the first lap before falling back into another group of about 15 which then eventually eroded to 3 (up ahead so at least I was in front of some). We rode together for about 13 miles and then they started to fade so I kept on going on my own for the rest of the race, little lonely but felt good never caught anyone.

i turn the corner for the last lap guy rings the bell, 11 miles to go, I do the lap and on that last corner the official waves me straight through what had been the neutral roll out from the start of the high school parking lot. I'm done, I feel great, thank the guy and the volunteers for all their work as I go past, cruise into the parking lot warm down, change, wash up, talk to the promoter. I know I'm at least 12 minutes behind the winner and main group but what the hell, I rode as hard as I could and fared well on time for me (2:21:46 with 3500 ft of climbing, 19.5 mph avg).

I get in my car and take a left out of the lot to drive home and go to work when out of the corner of my eye I spot a sign that says 200 meters to go, then I see the time clock to the right and my heart drops out of my arse, when I realize that I should have ridden right past the parking lot into the final 200 meters! At first I was so incredulous I didn't know what to do then burst out laughing at my stupidity.

when I got to work I emailed the promoter and head official, sent them my strava file that showed I completed the first stage and begged my case, not like I was looking for a podium but just really wanted to be allowed to finish the race if my time was good enough to make the cut off.

low and behold, last night at 9pm I get the email with this morning's TT line up, they put me in last but they were gracious enough to put me in at least! Did my first ever TT this morning, legs felt a bit like two articulating anvils but I pushed through and didn't get caught. Now this afternoon is criterium time. Not sure what, if anything will show in results, or what time they have me for the first stage but right now not sure that I care.

hope you enjoyed this rookie's mistake, it'll only happen once!
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^^ that's a good one. Glad they let you finish the stages.
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I did Wente Crit. It didn't rain so yey! Ended up with another 8th, but with 25 people doesn't count towards anything. I did manage to bag a cash prim, so at least it payed for gas. lol.

Anyway at the beginning of the race first break went. I got in, one or two people bridged, but everything was a disorganized charlie foxtrot. People would get to the front hammer, then instead of pulling off just stay there slowing down. We got caught.

In second half of the race another break went. I got in to it. With some more encouragement, yelling, from me some kind of semblance of rotating pace line was happening. Still some people just wouldn't get the memo. At this point we had everyone from each team, and more people bridged, and had a big gap. We ended up getting caught.

How is that saying goes about herding cats?

Whole thing was exercise in futility and just wasted so much energy. On final lap I got swamped somewhat, and was very hesitant to move up because things were getting super sketchy. So out of final corner I was outside of top 10. Tried to surf wheels as best as I could and ended where I did.

I think plan from now on is to seat in the pack and conserve as much energy as I can then just try to get good position in final couple laps and sprint for it.
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Old 04-27-14, 01:53 PM   #1280
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dropped in a race for the first time ever.
I thought you just upgraded to a cat 2 ... imo, the races are much much faster than cat 3, especially hilly road races, so don't feel bad. Almost 8,000 feet of climbing, and you are not very small that is a brutal race in any category, but a fresh cat 2, anything other than dropped would be surprising.

Good luck with the rest of your season.
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Red Kite TT today.

4th, 1 measly little second off the podium. Now I feel justified in being unbearable about aero gains and every time anyone says anything about it I'll say "I missed the podium by 1 second over 26 minutes before."

Honestly, I just didn't ride the bike enough. There were some corners near the bottom that I could have/should have pedaled through were I more comfortable. I also probably gave up 3 or 4 seconds with a ****ty turnaround.
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I thought you just upgraded to a cat 2 ... imo, the races are much much faster than cat 3, especially hilly road races, so don't feel bad. Almost 8,000 feet of climbing, and you are not very small that is a brutal race in any category, but a fresh cat 2, anything other than dropped would be surprising.

Good luck with the rest of your season.
They DNP'd 2/3 of the race. I think I ended up right around middle-of-the-starters. I dunno. I have never had any measure of success at that course. Something about the profile is just antithetical to my power profile, but "doing things I am not good at" (crits, that race in 12s, this TT course today) is part of my character building this season.
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2 races today. Legs felt pretty good considering yesterday's race, but not 100% and I only got about 6 hours of sleep.

Wente Crit - fail. Near the back out of 25 starters. Flat, wide, longish (1.2 mile) course with a few wide curves and a few wide corners. Nothing technical.

Break went early and one team was doing a lot of work covering/blocking so I bridged when I got the chance. We were caught about a minute after I bridged. Didn't have the cash for the next race so I went for a $20 prime, got a good 2 man leadout but either legs couldn't sprint or my subconscious didn't want to work too hard and the guy in front of me took it. Ended up off the front and a few guys bridged up and we had a break going. I didn't notice we had a gap at first, so took a while to pull through. We were caught again. Race eased up a lot after the last prime, 4 laps to go one team was at the front keeping the pace halfway decent. I was sitting 3rd or 4th wheel for the last few laps. Shuffled back a bit last lap but fought pretty hard to stay top ten. Some Squadra guy took off with almost 1k to go (got 2nd); everyone chased and I was late to the party.

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Red Kite TT, 5th place
Course was 11 miles total, out and back with slight uphill grade on the way out.

Got cash, headed over, signed up, swapped stem, clipped on aero bars, moved the saddle, took off downtube cage and frame pump. Seat tube is round so I left an empty bottle on. Went hard the whole way, but considering the negative grade on the way back I didn't hold back for the first half. Final time 28:35. 6th and 7th place were only 1 and 2 seconds slower! 2nd place was 18 seconds faster, and 1st place was a whopping 2 minutes faster.

Wondering how much time I could have cut if I wasn't stuck with 32 spoke wheels and a standard road helmet...
Also wonder what if I didn't race Wente RR yesterday, and actually practiced TT position. Watts were only 92% ftp.
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Wondering how much time I could have cut if I wasn't stuck with 32 spoke wheels and a standard road helmet...
Also wonder what if I didn't race Wente RR yesterday, and actually practiced TT position. Watts were only 92% ftp.

Downhills are always difficult to hold FTP. I imagine you were at about 110% on the way out, 80% on the way back? Pretty normal, takes practice to push hard at high speeds. Wheels and helmet probably would have got you podium if 2nd was only 18 second off.
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2 races today. Legs felt pretty good considering yesterday's race, but not 100% and I only got about 6 hours of sleep.

Wente Crit - fail. Near the back out of 25 starters. Flat, wide, longish (1.2 mile) course with a few wide curves and a few wide corners. Nothing technical.

Break went early and one team was doing a lot of work covering/blocking so I bridged when I got the chance. We were caught about a minute after I bridged. Didn't have the cash for the next race so I went for a $20 prime, got a good 2 man leadout but either legs couldn't sprint or my subconscious didn't want to work too hard and the guy in front of me took it. Ended up off the front and a few guys bridged up and we had a break going. I didn't notice we had a gap at first, so took a while to pull through. We were caught again. Race eased up a lot after the last prime, 4 laps to go one team was at the front keeping the pace halfway decent. I was sitting 3rd or 4th wheel for the last few laps. Shuffled back a bit last lap but fought pretty hard to stay top ten. Some Squadra guy took off with almost 1k to go (got 2nd); everyone chased and I was late to the party.
Wait were you racing 4s?
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Downhills are always difficult to hold FTP. I imagine you were at about 110% on the way out, 80% on the way back? Pretty normal, takes practice to push hard at high speeds. Wheels and helmet probably would have got you podium if 2nd was only 18 second off.
Actually, it was more like 93% / 91%. Probably should have worked harder on the way out. Grade was only 2% so same position out and back (except for a few short out-of-saddle climbs); holding power was fine on the downhill.

The guy that took second told me he was on clip ons last year and was a minute faster this year - but he doesn't have a power meter so who knows how much stronger he has gotten.
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Red Kite TT today.

4th, 1 measly little second off the podium. Now I feel justified in being unbearable about aero gains and every time anyone says anything about it I'll say "I missed the podium by 1 second over 26 minutes before."

Honestly, I just didn't ride the bike enough. There were some corners near the bottom that I could have/should have pedaled through were I more comfortable. I also probably gave up 3 or 4 seconds with a ****ty turnaround.
Busy weekend for you! Well done!
I decided not to try and get better at the TT bike so I sold it :-)
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Busy weekend for you! Well done!
I decided not to try and get better at the TT bike so I sold it :-)
No stage races next year? You're so strong I thought you'd go out for every TT.
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No stage races next year? You're so strong I thought you'd go out for every TT.
Meh, I don't have the discipline to get better at TTs. Plus around here, they tend to be on desert roads in the middle of nowhere with about 3 people signed up. Stage races would suit me, but it's hard for me to take days away from the family and any stage race worth doing would require travel. I'll do Masters Nationals on my road bike (old skool) or beg to borrow a TT bike.
My old TT bike was too small for me anyways and had 650 wheels. I sold it and bought a Mtn bike (am I allowed to admit that on here?).
Next TT is up SoMo anyways so I'll be on the road bike :-)
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Yep.
Hey small world. I am the guy who took $20 buck prim. The RT guy got on a front and started to chug along. Didn't seem like there were any of his team mates around, but I wasn't complaining. He ran out of steam leading to final turn, where we were passed by some guy from SunPower. I bridged and jumped on his wheel, with 200ft+ to go he seem to implode. It was a bit early, but oh well. I went for it, didn't even sprint until 100ft or so. I kept expecting people to start sprinting, but every time I glanced back there was a gap and everyone was just riding.

What team are you on?
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Hey small world. I am the guy who took $20 buck prim. The RT guy got on a front and started to chug along. Didn't seem like there were any of his team mates around, but I wasn't complaining. He ran out of steam leading to final turn, where we were passed by some guy from SunPower. I bridged and jumped on his wheel, with 200ft+ to go he seem to implode. It was a bit early, but oh well. I went for it, didn't even sprint until 100ft or so. I kept expecting people to start sprinting, but every time I glanced back there was a gap and everyone was just riding.

What team are you on?
No team. Were you in a black (or dark) kit? Didn't look like a team kit, but I don't notice as much when I'm working hard. I guess I was on your (or whoever's) wheel for that prime, but I worked pretty hard to get there. Was hesitant to work so waiting for you to jump and then I just kinda fizzled out. Turns out I stayed off the front for a while so probably could have afforded to go all in but oh well. At least you got your gas money!
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No team. Were you in a black (or dark) kit? Didn't look like a team kit, but I don't notice as much when I'm working hard. I guess I was on your (or whoever's) wheel for that prime, but I worked pretty hard to get there. Was hesitant to work so waiting for you to jump and then I just kinda fizzled out. Turns out I stayed off the front for a while so probably could have afforded to go all in but oh well. At least you got your gas money!
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BLP crit

3 guys got off in the confusion of a couple cars on the course. They stuck that. The sprint, a blind bend slightly uphill (not legal from what I hear), is super tough. I got pinched to the outside and from there it's doom. Too much force to fight. I got third in the field sprint, for 6th. Got paid, but having won this race before I had hoped for a better finish.
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I had a mechanical issue following an attack that turned out to be the winning break today in my race, so i had to stop and fix it, roll over to the finish line, sit out a lap, jump back in, and then not contest the finish. I forgot how easy/relaxing it is to just ride in a race, especially when you don't have to see the wind the entire time. .75 IF for the race
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Dang, jsut, I think you're at the top of the leaderboard for mechanicals.
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Easily. I don't have a very good track record on maintaining my bike.
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Good job Gary. You can't win 'em all.
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Wente crit, p/1/2. Meh. (17th)

There were 5 of us from the team, biggest team representation in the field of ~30, and we still lost. Guy that won was solo lol.

Did my job, put in lots of work on the front, chased the break.. but damn. So it goes.

Also, I hate wind!!
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Planned to race today...but didn't. Got home late last night (~2:30 AM) and woke up at 6:30 to head down the street to race. Was super sluggish and tired leaving home in a daze. Set up my bike to warm up and realized I forgot my shoes!?!?!?! Not enough time to get home and back in time to race, so no racing. I didn't pre-reg, so no $ lost, just missed an opportunity to sleep in a bit more.
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