2014 Race Results Thread
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*edit - but I am sad you think so little of me and my reasoning ability :*(
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i agree.
been getting DEXA scans for a few years now. the first one was shocking--other methods told me <10% but actual was more like 15%, at a time when i didn't think i had anything to lose leaning i've been measured was 9%, but i am lighter and (i believe) leaner now. i'm hoping to get retested within the next few weeks.
a university hospital charges $25 to do the (normally insanely expensive bone density) test and get the full print-out, which no interpretation. then for whatever reason they wind up sending me a $25 check 6 months later.
if anyone has been wondering whether they have more fat that could be (safely) lost, a DEXA will let you know where it is hiding. again, truly shocking for me.
been getting DEXA scans for a few years now. the first one was shocking--other methods told me <10% but actual was more like 15%, at a time when i didn't think i had anything to lose leaning i've been measured was 9%, but i am lighter and (i believe) leaner now. i'm hoping to get retested within the next few weeks.
a university hospital charges $25 to do the (normally insanely expensive bone density) test and get the full print-out, which no interpretation. then for whatever reason they wind up sending me a $25 check 6 months later.
if anyone has been wondering whether they have more fat that could be (safely) lost, a DEXA will let you know where it is hiding. again, truly shocking for me.
Also, in regards to all the pictures of what various BF% look like, cyclists are too skinny to look like this. Just take a look at some of the shirtless pictures of Niabli in his Sidi adds. Or this guy: https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll...xs03o1_500.jpg Cyclists just don't have the muscle mass to look that ripped even at extremely low BF%.
08-06-14, 10:32 PM
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You weren't the target audience for that comment. I have folks who think if they go slower on the same course, then they are going backwards. A lot of folks don't realize that's not always the case.
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08-07-14, 06:55 PM
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Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate them.
I was committed. Means a bunch to me to inspire someone else. I've received inspiration from many here. "Disappointing" is not the right word--it was a personal best time, so I have perspective on that. I was mainly disappointed in that I knew it was a good opportunity to make my goal. There will be more chances. The hill isn't going anywhere.
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I still have peak power from certain durations from quarqs that were reading high. Le sigh. (Of course total weight was lower and there was more attention to equipment, so even though absolute watts were lower, the watt-to-total kg math works.)
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Sunday's ride was Teton Pass. Saturday was Targhee.
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Thanks for the thoughts on what may have caused the low power. As best I can tell, it's not about back-to-back days (I trained pretty hard/borderline overtraining for the 6 weeks prior to Cascade, and there were plenty of solid days back-to-back, or even solid #s when I was very fatigued). It's more like the occasional bad day that happens during recovery. I haven't been able to figure out a pattern for it. Maybe someone smarter than me could. Fortunately with time and continued training the frequency of "bad" days decreases. Just a bummer it occurred on this particular day. Wish it happened the prior day as that climb is not as dear to me.
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Also, "bad day" is a bit dramatic, but it's accurate. I expect a true threshold effort to vary a bit--maybe +/- 3-5%, but 10% below a regular/solid threshold # certainly qualifies as a poor performance. Oh well, no biggie.
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meh. I wouldn't read that many words by many people here.
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I tend to write a bunch, but part of that is because I appreciate it when others take the time to write about their results. I like the backstory. Honestly, it is hard to care too much when we may not know the racer very well, we have no idea about the course, and we don't know about what really went on. Seeing "3rd out of 45 @ XYZ Circuit Race" without any context doesn't do much for me. I'd rather hear about what it took for someone to get to the line, what adversity they might have overcome, etc.
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
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14 second PR with lower power = buy a quark
What's the name of the hill/road for my strava curiosity to see the climb?
Also, if you just had surgery 3 months ago that might account for some of the fatigue on back to back days. I dunno.
What's the name of the hill/road for my strava curiosity to see the climb?
Also, if you just had surgery 3 months ago that might account for some of the fatigue on back to back days. I dunno.
I still have peak power from certain durations from quarqs that were reading high. Le sigh. (Of course total weight was lower and there was more attention to equipment, so even though absolute watts were lower, the watt-to-total kg math works.)
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Sunday's ride was Teton Pass. Saturday was Targhee.
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Thanks for the thoughts on what may have caused the low power. As best I can tell, it's not about back-to-back days (I trained pretty hard/borderline overtraining for the 6 weeks prior to Cascade, and there were plenty of solid days back-to-back, or even solid #s when I was very fatigued). It's more like the occasional bad day that happens during recovery. I haven't been able to figure out a pattern for it. Maybe someone smarter than me could. Fortunately with time and continued training the frequency of "bad" days decreases. Just a bummer it occurred on this particular day. Wish it happened the prior day as that climb is not as dear to me.
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Also, "bad day" is a bit dramatic, but it's accurate. I expect a true threshold effort to vary a bit--maybe +/- 3-5%, but 10% below a regular/solid threshold # certainly qualifies as a poor performance. Oh well, no biggie.
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08-07-14, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by robabeatle
nice teton!
Originally Posted by Racer Ex
Or a weather gauge.
Doesn't take much to make a 1% change in time. Even different pacing can move time on some TT's 1-4%.
Then there's that whole weight thing. He might have taken a big 41 right before....
Doesn't take much to make a 1% change in time. Even different pacing can move time on some TT's 1-4%.
Then there's that whole weight thing. He might have taken a big 41 right before....
Ambient conditions were pretty similar. I also looked at what I did with 1/2-mile splits (time and power) last year vs this year. In both cases I paced it about as well as I could with the power I had. In 2013 it was paced perfectly, but I had about 10 pounds more weight. This year I paced pretty well but then needed to back off when the grade eased up (twice). That cost me as I didn't carry as much momentum into the following steeper part.
In general I agree with you about pacing. I personally know a few people at Cascade this year (flat TT) who probably put out equal or more power but paced it differently and came in slower.
Originally Posted by Ygduf
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joking on the author's penchant for recommending SRMs
i thought it was funny. i only recommend them because i sell them, of course. SRMs suck.
Originally Posted by indigo
Originally Posted by indigo
Also, in regards to all the pictures of what various BF% look like, cyclists are too skinny to look like this. Just take a look at some of the shirtless pictures of Niabli in his Sidi adds. Or this guy:https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll...xs03o1_500.jpg Cyclists just don't have the muscle mass to look that ripped even at extremely low BF%.
i'd think hydrostatic would be fairly accurate but don't know for sure. i think DEXA is a gold standard. i also agree with the above. that image posted earlier gets thrown around but is not indicative what an endurance athlete looks like at 5-6%. i think holocaust prisoners were in the 3-5% range...just before the body shuts down.
08-08-14, 02:52 PM
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08-09-14, 06:46 AM
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I tend to write a bunch, but part of that is because I appreciate it when others take the time to write about their results. I like the backstory. Honestly, it is hard to care too much when we may not know the racer very well, we have no idea about the course, and we don't know about what really went on. Seeing "3rd out of 45 @ XYZ Circuit Race" without any context doesn't do much for me. I'd rather hear about what it took for someone to get to the line, what adversity they might have overcome, etc.
08-09-14, 04:46 PM
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Dunnigan Hills E3. No clue on place out of ~50.
TLDR Edition: got crashed out 80 miles into race. Rad
Extended Edition:
So, for those not familiar with the Dunnigan Hills RR, it has a name that is a bit misleading in that there really aren't many "hills". It could be called the Yolo RR, the Zamora RR, or the crappy road and angry locals RR. Anyway, the race is two laps on a 43ish mile loop that crosses east to west, south to north, west to east, and then north to south through the "Dunnigan Hills". The race is on open narrow country roads with some traffic control at key turns (yellow line "enforced"). At most we had 3% climbs with 50 feet of elevation gain. Wind usually makes or breaks the race for many and it was notably absent today (~5ish mph north wind).
Anyway...to the race. This was the first road race I did last year as a 5 and I got dropped about 20 miles in on the first set of rollers. So, I was looking for redemption. Last year we started with a 3 mile neutral roll out to avoid some of the rougher sections of potholed road. That wasn't the case today and we quickly lost half a dozen guys to flats and several guys lost bottles. There was also a handful of P12 guys sitting on the road side with flats...no good.
Once we got through the initial rough section it was a pretty mild pace for the rest. Some surges, but overall pretty mellow. My plan was to sit in and try my hand at a field sprint if it developed since. This was close to a C race for me and I wasn't feeling too keen on getting into a break. There were a few decent break attempts with small groups getting a couple minutes up the road on the main field, but all were brought back with about 10 miles to go. After the breaks were all reeled in, the pack had been reduced to about 30 guys and we were plodding along the final stretch (about 10 miles of dead straight, flat road) before the finish segment.
Somewhere around 8 miles to go a rider two or three wheels up from me appeared to stand and tried to power through a gap, but hit a dip in the road and went down. We were three wide at this point and the crash happened in the middle lane. Those us behind him tried to avoid a collision without slamming into those on our left or right, but plowed into the back of him and went down as well. I got lucky and landed on a couple other guys and came out more or less injury free. My front wheel was out of true, rear wheel out of true, handlebars twisted, and chain off. I opened the brakes, straightened out the bars as best I could, put my chain back on, cussed a lot, and tried to chase back on.
The crash and recovery took about 2 minutes and I had no chance to close the gap solo with only 8 miles and into a light head wind. I caught a few guys that had fallen off the group, but the main field was long gone. I was pretty ticked because the group had come back together and my legs were feeling great. After the post crash adrenalin wore off, I could feel some aches in the shoulder and knee. I did a more thorough assessment at the car and it's mostly just bruising and I will probably be sore tomorrow.
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The other downer of the day is that this race will probably not be on the schedule next year. The organizer sent out an email yesterday indicating that fees are no longer covering race and there were a lot of negative interactions with locals today. Apparently an angry local parked his truck on the finish line as the P12 sprint was coming in and proceeded to argue with an official (fudgy probably has more info as he would have been sprinting through for his finish). There were also reports of locals throwing bottles at riders and another local driving in front of the pack, slamming his brakes, and throwing his car in reverse forcing the fields to fan out. The Highway Patrol did their best to control the situation, but they could only do so much.
TLDR Edition: got crashed out 80 miles into race. Rad
Extended Edition:
So, for those not familiar with the Dunnigan Hills RR, it has a name that is a bit misleading in that there really aren't many "hills". It could be called the Yolo RR, the Zamora RR, or the crappy road and angry locals RR. Anyway, the race is two laps on a 43ish mile loop that crosses east to west, south to north, west to east, and then north to south through the "Dunnigan Hills". The race is on open narrow country roads with some traffic control at key turns (yellow line "enforced"). At most we had 3% climbs with 50 feet of elevation gain. Wind usually makes or breaks the race for many and it was notably absent today (~5ish mph north wind).
Anyway...to the race. This was the first road race I did last year as a 5 and I got dropped about 20 miles in on the first set of rollers. So, I was looking for redemption. Last year we started with a 3 mile neutral roll out to avoid some of the rougher sections of potholed road. That wasn't the case today and we quickly lost half a dozen guys to flats and several guys lost bottles. There was also a handful of P12 guys sitting on the road side with flats...no good.
Once we got through the initial rough section it was a pretty mild pace for the rest. Some surges, but overall pretty mellow. My plan was to sit in and try my hand at a field sprint if it developed since. This was close to a C race for me and I wasn't feeling too keen on getting into a break. There were a few decent break attempts with small groups getting a couple minutes up the road on the main field, but all were brought back with about 10 miles to go. After the breaks were all reeled in, the pack had been reduced to about 30 guys and we were plodding along the final stretch (about 10 miles of dead straight, flat road) before the finish segment.
Somewhere around 8 miles to go a rider two or three wheels up from me appeared to stand and tried to power through a gap, but hit a dip in the road and went down. We were three wide at this point and the crash happened in the middle lane. Those us behind him tried to avoid a collision without slamming into those on our left or right, but plowed into the back of him and went down as well. I got lucky and landed on a couple other guys and came out more or less injury free. My front wheel was out of true, rear wheel out of true, handlebars twisted, and chain off. I opened the brakes, straightened out the bars as best I could, put my chain back on, cussed a lot, and tried to chase back on.
The crash and recovery took about 2 minutes and I had no chance to close the gap solo with only 8 miles and into a light head wind. I caught a few guys that had fallen off the group, but the main field was long gone. I was pretty ticked because the group had come back together and my legs were feeling great. After the post crash adrenalin wore off, I could feel some aches in the shoulder and knee. I did a more thorough assessment at the car and it's mostly just bruising and I will probably be sore tomorrow.
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The other downer of the day is that this race will probably not be on the schedule next year. The organizer sent out an email yesterday indicating that fees are no longer covering race and there were a lot of negative interactions with locals today. Apparently an angry local parked his truck on the finish line as the P12 sprint was coming in and proceeded to argue with an official (fudgy probably has more info as he would have been sprinting through for his finish). There were also reports of locals throwing bottles at riders and another local driving in front of the pack, slamming his brakes, and throwing his car in reverse forcing the fields to fan out. The Highway Patrol did their best to control the situation, but they could only do so much.
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08-09-14, 05:35 PM
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I'm just glad the injuries appear to be minimal. Some bruising to the knee and shoulder, but nothing severe. Was more pissed off to have the race end that way with only a few miles to go.
I dig the course and will be bummed if the race goes away. Not sure how it will affect Bariani since they share some of the same roads.
I dig the course and will be bummed if the race goes away. Not sure how it will affect Bariani since they share some of the same roads.
08-09-14, 06:19 PM
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Tour de Millersburg
CAT 3
Day 1
TT: 2nd/70
10 mile out and back course. I borrowed a teammates Shiv TT cause I felt I had a good shot at the GC with a good time trial. I haven't done any straight TTs this year, but felt like I have a pretty good threshold so I went all in. Ended up finishing 2nd 7/10ths of a second from first!!!! Wish I could have found that little extra, but I definitely left it all out there.
Crit: 17th/70
4 corner with a decent kicker between turn 3 and 4. I was told from another member on here that you need to stay at the front cause half the field will get pulled. Course is very tight and tough to move up. I got the call up for my 2nd in the TT and started right up front. Glad I did. It was really easy to hold top 10 position and my teammate (who started in back) said we were going through turn 2 before he was through turn 1. Only 20 riders left of the 70 with 3 to go and on the last lap I was sitting 8th wheel when going through turn 2 the 6th wheel riders back tire blew going around the turn. Nothing I could do and hit the deck. Luckily I was able to slow down and came out with very minor scrapes and a flat rear tire. They placed me 17th.
I am now tied for 5th on the GC and have an opportunity in tomorrow RR to move up. Course looks ideal for a breakaway, which I like!
CAT 3
Day 1
TT: 2nd/70
10 mile out and back course. I borrowed a teammates Shiv TT cause I felt I had a good shot at the GC with a good time trial. I haven't done any straight TTs this year, but felt like I have a pretty good threshold so I went all in. Ended up finishing 2nd 7/10ths of a second from first!!!! Wish I could have found that little extra, but I definitely left it all out there.
Crit: 17th/70
4 corner with a decent kicker between turn 3 and 4. I was told from another member on here that you need to stay at the front cause half the field will get pulled. Course is very tight and tough to move up. I got the call up for my 2nd in the TT and started right up front. Glad I did. It was really easy to hold top 10 position and my teammate (who started in back) said we were going through turn 2 before he was through turn 1. Only 20 riders left of the 70 with 3 to go and on the last lap I was sitting 8th wheel when going through turn 2 the 6th wheel riders back tire blew going around the turn. Nothing I could do and hit the deck. Luckily I was able to slow down and came out with very minor scrapes and a flat rear tire. They placed me 17th.
I am now tied for 5th on the GC and have an opportunity in tomorrow RR to move up. Course looks ideal for a breakaway, which I like!
08-09-14, 06:49 PM
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Tour de Millersburg
CAT 3
Day 1
TT: 2nd/70
10 mile out and back course. I borrowed a teammates Shiv TT cause I felt I had a good shot at the GC with a good time trial. I haven't done any straight TTs this year, but felt like I have a pretty good threshold so I went all in. Ended up finishing 2nd 7/10ths of a second from first!!!! Wish I could have found that little extra, but I definitely left it all out there.
Crit: 17th/70
4 corner with a decent kicker between turn 3 and 4. I was told from another member on here that you need to stay at the front cause half the field will get pulled. Course is very tight and tough to move up. I got the call up for my 2nd in the TT and started right up front. Glad I did. It was really easy to hold top 10 position and my teammate (who started in back) said we were going through turn 2 before he was through turn 1. Only 20 riders left of the 70 with 3 to go and on the last lap I was sitting 8th wheel when going through turn 2 the 6th wheel riders back tire blew going around the turn. Nothing I could do and hit the deck. Luckily I was able to slow down and came out with very minor scrapes and a flat rear tire. They placed me 17th.
I am now tied for 5th on the GC and have an opportunity in tomorrow RR to move up. Course looks ideal for a breakaway, which I like!
CAT 3
Day 1
TT: 2nd/70
10 mile out and back course. I borrowed a teammates Shiv TT cause I felt I had a good shot at the GC with a good time trial. I haven't done any straight TTs this year, but felt like I have a pretty good threshold so I went all in. Ended up finishing 2nd 7/10ths of a second from first!!!! Wish I could have found that little extra, but I definitely left it all out there.
Crit: 17th/70
4 corner with a decent kicker between turn 3 and 4. I was told from another member on here that you need to stay at the front cause half the field will get pulled. Course is very tight and tough to move up. I got the call up for my 2nd in the TT and started right up front. Glad I did. It was really easy to hold top 10 position and my teammate (who started in back) said we were going through turn 2 before he was through turn 1. Only 20 riders left of the 70 with 3 to go and on the last lap I was sitting 8th wheel when going through turn 2 the 6th wheel riders back tire blew going around the turn. Nothing I could do and hit the deck. Luckily I was able to slow down and came out with very minor scrapes and a flat rear tire. They placed me 17th.
I am now tied for 5th on the GC and have an opportunity in tomorrow RR to move up. Course looks ideal for a breakaway, which I like!
08-09-14, 06:57 PM
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well done! though i won't necessarily agree with the characterization of the RR course. i think it usually ends up being a bunch sprint as the hill is about 10 miles away from the finish. wind is also minimal, so perhaps more of a mark people and react type of situation
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Dunnigan Hills P12
6th of 42 (t-shirt, 2 points, and $15 cash dollars)
86 miles of flat, straight farm roads. A couple sections of rolling hills. No real climbing but plenty of wind to work with.
I had my eye on Zeke Mostov. This kid is 18 and was 3rd in 17-18 worlds TT last year. I was still warming up 10min into the race when a break went up. By 15 minutes they had almost a minute. I have in the past been too tentative and wondered "what if" later on, so I decided I was going to bridge or die trying. I launched 15min into the race to cover about 45 seconds. 2 guys initially came with me, they gave up when it was clear we weren't going to make it immediately. I settled in and 5 or 7 minutes later 2 then 4 guys eventually made it to my halfway point. We were 5, break 20s up was 3 and the gap just wasn't coming down.
The dudes I was with, one by one, threw in the towel. Fuuuuuuuuu** no. When the final guy with me told me he was "tapping out" I redoubled my efforts. Whenever I looked up Zeke was on the front of the break working his ass off, so I quit looking up. 1min, 3min, 5min... Maybe 10min after I was alone I was there. Maybe 10s back coming into an overpass I threw an absolute hail mary and made contact.
(after the race, Zeke told me he thought I was the lead of the pack and had been trying to hold me off the break. omfg, it was brutal)
So now I was there, in the break. Zeke, James Laberge (nats under 23 crit champion), 3 other strongmen (2 others bridged around mile 60) and old-ass me. I think I was older than anyone else in the move by 10 years. I definitely felt old.
James is not working. Zeke is working really hard lap 1, then tails off on lap 2. The other guys and I are just happy to be there. We get break updates from the moto. Largest gap was 1:50. With 16 miles to go, the gap was 65s. With 10mi to go the gap is 60s. I cave. I'd rather take last of the break than get caught and be 35th.
I spend the last 10 miles doing more than my share. About 4mi to go the gap is back to 75s and some attacks go. The attacks clearly show me how ****ed I am. I had to chase back onto the break each time.
Ridiculous desperate flyer at 2k to go. I get 5s gap and hold out until 250-300m to go when the other 5 blow past me. I am sad to be worst of the break. Happy to finish 6th, just behind Zeke.
Laberge, from his 80mi break where he was resting the entire time, took the break sprint for the win.
Ridiculous ****ery from the referees (and I guess the local at the finish line I was too blitzed to see) meant that after 2 hours our results were posted without the break in them! We just weren't listed. 20min later amended results get posted and I am left out. Laberge hung around with me to testify that the guy given my place, his teammate, had DNF the race. I felt a little bad for hating on him so much in the race. Good kid at heart.
The elevation # here is erroneous noise. More like 3k.
6th of 42 (t-shirt, 2 points, and $15 cash dollars)
86 miles of flat, straight farm roads. A couple sections of rolling hills. No real climbing but plenty of wind to work with.
I had my eye on Zeke Mostov. This kid is 18 and was 3rd in 17-18 worlds TT last year. I was still warming up 10min into the race when a break went up. By 15 minutes they had almost a minute. I have in the past been too tentative and wondered "what if" later on, so I decided I was going to bridge or die trying. I launched 15min into the race to cover about 45 seconds. 2 guys initially came with me, they gave up when it was clear we weren't going to make it immediately. I settled in and 5 or 7 minutes later 2 then 4 guys eventually made it to my halfway point. We were 5, break 20s up was 3 and the gap just wasn't coming down.
The dudes I was with, one by one, threw in the towel. Fuuuuuuuuu** no. When the final guy with me told me he was "tapping out" I redoubled my efforts. Whenever I looked up Zeke was on the front of the break working his ass off, so I quit looking up. 1min, 3min, 5min... Maybe 10min after I was alone I was there. Maybe 10s back coming into an overpass I threw an absolute hail mary and made contact.
(after the race, Zeke told me he thought I was the lead of the pack and had been trying to hold me off the break. omfg, it was brutal)
So now I was there, in the break. Zeke, James Laberge (nats under 23 crit champion), 3 other strongmen (2 others bridged around mile 60) and old-ass me. I think I was older than anyone else in the move by 10 years. I definitely felt old.
James is not working. Zeke is working really hard lap 1, then tails off on lap 2. The other guys and I are just happy to be there. We get break updates from the moto. Largest gap was 1:50. With 16 miles to go, the gap was 65s. With 10mi to go the gap is 60s. I cave. I'd rather take last of the break than get caught and be 35th.
I spend the last 10 miles doing more than my share. About 4mi to go the gap is back to 75s and some attacks go. The attacks clearly show me how ****ed I am. I had to chase back onto the break each time.
Ridiculous desperate flyer at 2k to go. I get 5s gap and hold out until 250-300m to go when the other 5 blow past me. I am sad to be worst of the break. Happy to finish 6th, just behind Zeke.
Laberge, from his 80mi break where he was resting the entire time, took the break sprint for the win.
Ridiculous ****ery from the referees (and I guess the local at the finish line I was too blitzed to see) meant that after 2 hours our results were posted without the break in them! We just weren't listed. 20min later amended results get posted and I am left out. Laberge hung around with me to testify that the guy given my place, his teammate, had DNF the race. I felt a little bad for hating on him so much in the race. Good kid at heart.
The elevation # here is erroneous noise. More like 3k.
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08-10-14, 05:09 AM
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Good work, Fudgy!
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Regards,
Chuck
Demain, on roule!
Regards,
Chuck
Demain, on roule!
08-10-14, 06:35 AM
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u-23 champ at 21 and 6th in the Tulsa Tough pro Omnium. It would be nice to be as fit and young as he is, for sure.
