Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

"The 33"-Road Bike Racing We set this forum up for our members to discuss their experiences in either pro or amateur racing, whether they are the big races, or even the small backyard races. Don't forget to update all the members with your own race results.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-16-14, 09:38 AM   #26
mattm
**** that
Thread Starter
 
mattm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: CALI
Bikes:
Posts: 13,809
Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 150 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by valygrl View Post
Very cool. Thank you!

One comment - It says i have more upgrade points than I do, I don't think it's mixed fields - what I am seeing is it is allocating upgrade points for a training series crit that was shorter than the time limit required to have upgrade points available. The crit was 25 minutes, and it's saying i got upgrade points for it, but BRAC never showed that, and they shouldn't count. Totally not complaining about this, by the way, just providing material for QC.
Hmm, interesting. Length/time also isn't taken into account, since it's not available on the USAC results page (or anywhere on USAC besides the flyers as far as I know).

Which makes me wonder, do they even check lengths if it's so hard to do?

But yeah, it's a limitation no doubt.

Quote:
Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
Yes, the upgrade points piece isn't very useful. It says I have 33 points and my estimated category is 3. I am actually a Cat 2 with 15 points for the Cat1. Race Ready lets you enter your category in your profile. I think that if you added this along with the USAC upgrade logic you would be a lot closer to reality.
Hmm, interesting. My guess as to why is that if you're doing Masters 1/2/3's races, then it can only assume you are a 3 at best. But I assume you've done p/1/2 races so it should guess you're a 2.. I'll PM you for deets so I can see what's up with that!

The other way to fix this is instead of guessing the category, figure it out from the rankings pages. Or just enter it as you suggested.. maybe some day.
__________________
cat 1.

blog
mattm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-14, 09:44 AM   #27
Ygduf 
\_(ツ)_/
 
Ygduf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Redwood City, CA
Bikes: aggressive agreement is what I ride.
Posts: 9,465
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 119 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattm View Post

Which makes me wonder, do they even check lengths if it's so hard to do?
I get the feeling the upgrade process is very fungible. Can you imagine some upgrade coordinator going through someones race results, opening each race to check the flier for duration, then results for field size, then the field itself in mixed-cat races to see who actually counts?

There is no way anyone is actually doing that.

I bet they open your results, see some top-10s and top-5s and say "good luck!"

If someone upgrades too soon, the biggest victim of it is the person who upgraded and can no longer compete for results.

When I knew guys who never got good results in the 4s that upgraded on pack finishes to the 3s, I was like "alright then, good luck" on the outside, and "alright then, more fodder" on the inside.
__________________

strava.com/athletes/ygduf
Ygduf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-14, 02:50 PM   #28
globecanvas
Ninny
 
globecanvas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: The Gunks
Bikes:
Posts: 4,468
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 146 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
Can you imagine some upgrade coordinator going through someones race results, opening each race to check the flier for duration, then results for field size, then the field itself in mixed-cat races to see who actually counts?

There is no way anyone is actually doing that.

I bet they open your results, see some top-10s and top-5s and say "good luck!"
Incorrect. I know for sure the NY upgrade guy checks mixed fields and does the math.
globecanvas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-14, 03:10 PM   #29
Ygduf 
\_(ツ)_/
 
Ygduf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Redwood City, CA
Bikes: aggressive agreement is what I ride.
Posts: 9,465
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 119 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post
Incorrect. I know for sure the NY upgrade guy checks mixed fields and does the math.
__________________

strava.com/athletes/ygduf
Ygduf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-14, 03:38 PM   #30
mattm
**** that
Thread Starter
 
mattm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: CALI
Bikes:
Posts: 13,809
Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 150 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post
Incorrect. I know for sure the NY upgrade guy checks mixed fields and does the math.
Mixed fields, I believe. Distances/time though, I still wonder..

I guess local upgrade coordinators are familiar with the local races and will generally know if something is too short to qualify.

But some local p/1/2 "road races" are 70-something miles, just short of the 80 minimum for 2->1 rr upgrade points. Maybe for 2->1 upgrades (that are done by a national USAC upgrade person I believe), they do check that stuff.. since you're going to 1. Then again they have even less of an idea of the local races, so who knows.

At any rate, upgrade points stuff is tricky!
__________________
cat 1.

blog
mattm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-14, 04:08 PM   #31
Ygduf 
\_(ツ)_/
 
Ygduf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Redwood City, CA
Bikes: aggressive agreement is what I ride.
Posts: 9,465
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 119 Post(s)
I took points from a 48mi/6k climbing circuit race.

Crit by the letter of the rules, RR by the spirit of the rules. I'm not really a stickler for anything, but especially stuff like this.

Also, stop signs should all be yields. "STOP" just makes scofflaws of 99% of driver and 99% of cyclists both.
__________________

strava.com/athletes/ygduf
Ygduf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-14, 05:02 PM   #32
shovelhd
Senior Member
 
shovelhd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Western MA
Bikes: Yes
Posts: 15,526
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
I get the feeling the upgrade process is very fungible. Can you imagine some upgrade coordinator going through someones race results, opening each race to check the flier for duration, then results for field size, then the field itself in mixed-cat races to see who actually counts?

There is no way anyone is actually doing that.

I bet they open your results, see some top-10s and top-5s and say "good luck!"

If someone upgrades too soon, the biggest victim of it is the person who upgraded and can no longer compete for results.

When I knew guys who never got good results in the 4s that upgraded on pack finishes to the 3s, I was like "alright then, good luck" on the outside, and "alright then, more fodder" on the inside.
Some LA upgrade officials do exactly that. It depends. Cat2>Cat1 upgrades are collected at the LA level and submitted to CO for approval.

The biggest victim is the elite level guy who gets taken out by the guy who upgraded by riding away from the field and can't handle their bike amongst those that can.
shovelhd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-14, 05:17 PM   #33
Ygduf 
\_(ツ)_/
 
Ygduf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Redwood City, CA
Bikes: aggressive agreement is what I ride.
Posts: 9,465
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 119 Post(s)
you don't need any skills to earn legit upgrade points.

e.g. me.

That's a separate issue, imo.
__________________

strava.com/athletes/ygduf
Ygduf is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:55 AM.