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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    Says the guy who posted graphic surgery imagery to FB!! =]


    that was just a cool pic of the inside of my shoulder.

    the back-story is that while recovering i was wondering what the plate looked like...inside my body. then during a post-op visit my doc pulled out his iPhone and said 'wanna see the inside of your shoulder? you can put it on Facebook.' it was as if he read my mind.

    we're friends. part of the reason i posted (other than thinking it was interesting) was one accumulates a lot of detritus in the friends list over the years. serves as a good filter to occasionally shake it up.

    i wouldn't post pics of an actual crash, but that's just me. (i don't mind that people do, but i don't love seeing it during race season.)

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    heal up and enjoy your time away from the bike, like you said there are some other goals you can accomplish during this time off.

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    You took a really bad line through the corner to start with. You entered the corner 6 or so inches off the painted line, with a lot of curb inside to spare, when the guy came past you you were drifting out and when you made contact you were a couple of feet off the line, well before the apex. The guy made a classic attacking move and had you held your line you would have been fine.

    Bad line that you didn't hold and hit a guy going a lot faster than you on the outside who was already mostly past you.

    That said that corner is slightly decreasing radius, and can be difficult to read visually. I've done several TT's on that course and if you're really on the gas you need to get the line right.

    Hope you have a speedy and full recovery, sorry to see that happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    Nothing wrong with where he attacked. Going right before and into a curve can be a great place to attack, particularly the last turn of a crit.

    And he had plenty of room here. He could have easily gone around that curve even faster without chopping Ovoleg's line. His contribution to the crash was not passing; it was cutting into the line Ovoleg was on before he was past him.
    That's what I meant by cut across. I mean, I think he shouldn't have attacked there because it seems like he has no idea how to corner.
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    I just hope I get a full recovery from this and can still ride without being gimped I also have to worry about that AVN thing or whatever I've been reading on the internet about.

    I have a feeling I'm going to get fat too...trying to watch what I eat but I know it'll be hard since I am not very mobile.
    -Cat-3-o-meter: TBD :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovoleg View Post
    I have a feeling I'm going to get fat too...trying to watch what I eat but I know it'll be hard since I am not very mobile.
    I'm dealing with that too right now. Don't get too crazy cutting back calories, from what I've read your body uses a good chunk of them to rebuild broken bones. I have no idea how many calories it uses, but it's probably not a good idea to try to lose weight while you recover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revchuck View Post
    I'm dealing with that too right now. Don't get too crazy cutting back calories, from what I've read your body uses a good chunk of them to rebuild broken bones. I have no idea how many calories it uses, but it's probably not a good idea to try to lose weight while you recover.
    No doubt everyone is different, but despite being totally off the bike with my first two months of broken clavicle recovery including both Thanksgiving and all the winter holidays, I didn't gain a single pound. I wouldn't have expected to gain much, but that surprised me. Healing sucks down a lot of calories, so I agree with this advice. At the very least wait and see what your body is doing.

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    Sorry to hear about the crash. I was wondering why you didn't have any rides on Strava this week.

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    Heal well, and soon.

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    Holy crap, sorry to hear Ovoleg. That's a pretty safe course too, that's unlucky. Looks like Ovo was trying to just sit up a bit...maybe not the wisest thing to do in that corner, but neither was attacking on the outside and then chopping back to the inside. The rider is lucky he didn't take himself out as well.

    That's one thing I hate about following wheels in Cat 4 crits...I would think by now people would know to start corners wide and find the apex, but everyone wants to go inside and overshoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nosignature View Post
    Looks like Ovo was trying to just sit up a bit...maybe not the wisest thing to do in that corner, but neither was attacking on the outside and then chopping back to the inside. The rider is lucky he didn't take himself out as well.
    He didn't chop Ovo. Ovo screwed the pooch. Remember that the painted curb area actually is tapering outward and even then Ovo moves a clear foot off an already puzzling arc (see below). They aren't even at the apex yet and he's swinging wide in front of the pack, and he's got 8 feet between him and the curb on the left. And he's not going fast enough to warrant swinging wide.

    Ovo hits him, then panics and hits him again.

    Quote Originally Posted by nosignature View Post
    The rider is lucky Ovo didn't take him out as well.
    FIFY.

    The guy held his line. Ovo moved out on him.

    Guys in the big boy races attack around the outside entering corners all the time. Generally we expect people to actually take a racing line through a corner and not start moving wide before we even come close to the apex when we do that. And if we are holding the inside line we apex at the curb, not somewhere out in space.

    Start far right, apex left, exit right.

    Not to hammer Ovo, it sucks crashing and it sucks worse getting hurt, but the newer folks need to learn from this. Expect people will pass you on the outside from time to time. Learn how to take a line and understand how to apex a corner. Don't fart around in the middle of a turn.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    Not to hammer Ovo, it sucks crashing and it sucks worse getting hurt, but the newer folks need to learn from this. Expect people will pass you on the outside from time to time. Learn how to take a line and understand how to apex a corner. Don't fart around in the middle of a turn.
    Agreed, and I don't mean to pile on, but we were taught, repeatedly, that if you aren't tight on the wheel in front of you, you're leaving the door open for someone to cut across your line and it's your responsibility to realize you're vulnerable and protect yourself accordingly.

    To me, the issue isn't so much who moved where, when, but that if you're going to ride with your front wheel unprotected, you need to be aware all the time of what's going on around you and be ready to back off is someone moves over on you.

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    RX's post made me look back at the video a few times, and I have to agree and withdraw the earlier statement I made that the other guy was fully to blame. From his perspective, Ovo would be the one coming out of nowhere. I've had this happen on the street before - making a left turn at an intersection, suddenly POW! Slammed into another bicyclist who had cut across the street on the cross walk. You can't really expect someone to account for unpredictable behavior.

    And there wasn't much chance of the guy going down, himself. All you have to do is hold your line and not freak out in that situation. Hell, the guy I decked out on the road didn't go down, either.

    The terrible thing here is that getting the lesson also involved a pretty significant injury. That's a tough pill to swallow, for sure.

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    ovoleg,
    Sorry you got chopped like that. You went down like Beloki!

    Hope you recover WELL, not fast. After you get on the bike, come out to the Rose Bowl so you can get wiped out going in a straight line too :]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    You took a really bad line through the corner to start with. You entered the corner 6 or so inches off the painted line, with a lot of curb inside to spare, when the guy came past you you were drifting out and when you made contact you were a couple of feet off the line, well before the apex. The guy made a classic attacking move and had you held your line you would have been fine.

    Bad line that you didn't hold and hit a guy going a lot faster than you on the outside who was already mostly past you.

    That said that corner is slightly decreasing radius, and can be difficult to read visually. I've done several TT's on that course and if you're really on the gas you need to get the line right.

    Hope you have a speedy and full recovery, sorry to see that happen.
    Exactly how I saw it. Heal up quick.

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    Even though you usually give me a bunch of ship on this forum, I genuinely hope you feel better and heal up soon! I used to ride with a friend who was a Cat 3, who got run over by a dump truck and broke his femur. He did wind up getting AVN, and had a hip replacement. Despite that, though, after his recovery he was still faster than me on a bike at that time. Just do the best you can, listen to your doctors, don't push it, and you'll be back out there before you know it.

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    sorry to hear that ovo.

    gt better soon
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    Not having knowledge of the course and the ideal line. In any scenario can the passing rider be excused from making contact when the lead rider is not moving all over the road or forcing them into an impossible line? Is bumping someone acceptable in place of protesting them for inhibiting forward movement? As a hypothetical, if ovoleg had a flat and could not make the corner without crashing would the passing rider have a valid reason for making contact verse backing off and losing a position or two?

    I don't have the experience to place any weight of blame in this crash but it seems like it was 100% avoidable with slightly different decision by either rider. Aren't the small differences in lines part what the call for safer racing trying to bring about?

    Heal up ovoleg, broken bones suck

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    sorry to read ovoleg. best to you for a complete recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fingolfin View Post
    Not having knowledge of the course and the ideal line. In any scenario can the passing rider be excused from making contact when the lead rider is not moving all over the road or forcing them into an impossible line? Is bumping someone acceptable in place of protesting them for inhibiting forward movement? As a hypothetical, if ovoleg had a flat and could not make the corner without crashing would the passing rider have a valid reason for making contact verse backing off and losing a position or two?

    I don't have the experience to place any weight of blame in this crash but it seems like it was 100% avoidable with slightly different decision by either rider. Aren't the small differences in lines part what the call for safer racing trying to bring about?

    Heal up ovoleg, broken bones suck
    A more experienced passer may have seen this coming from body language and behavior on previous laps. As it was, he barely kept it in line without hitting the far curb, so he didn't believe he had much room for adjustment. I don't know that he would have had the confidence to brake at that point in the curve (though it looks to me like there was plenty of traction for it).

    Being a 4/5 race (IIRC?), I think everyone is somewhat excused, because mistakes are going to happen.

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    Sorry you got hurt ovoleg, hope you heal fast w/o complications.
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    Not experienced but wish you all the best and heal well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjclint View Post
    Welcome to the club - here is mine from November 30, 2013, before and after pinning. Mine was very displaced.

    Attachment 375224Attachment 375225

    I liked reading about other people's recovery so here is mine if you are interested. In a crash in a 4/5 crit with several other people who went down right in front of me. The guy in front of me going through a corner went hard into my front wheel when someone in front of him went down and I high-sided and came straight down hard. I slid so little I barely had any road rash. Surgery the same day for the pinning and went home from the hospital the next evening. I was on crutches and under doctor's direction for no, none, zero weight bearing for 11 weeks then 2 more weeks of crutches going from 25% weight bearing to 50% weight bearing.

    The same day I was released by the doctor for full weight-bearing I did a little 30-40 spin on the trainer just to see how it felt - getting my leg over the bike was the hardest part. Second day I did an FTP test (the one with two 8 minute intervals times .9) and based on that was about 50 watts short of where I was before the break. Just did another FTP test on the trainer a couple of days ago (this time the full 20 minute interval times .95) and had gained about 35 watts.

    I just started not getting dropped and hanging on for dear life on fast group rides that I used to take pulls off the front on. The hills are the hardest part due to the lack of strength in my right leg and I was getting dropped pretty easy even on little inclines but am holding on now at the back of the pack. I still have pain in the muscle, but not in the hip joint. I'm at high risk for AVN due to the displacement of the original break, but that won't be detectible for several more months.

    I don't know how much, if any of that, translate to your recovery but maybe it will give you some frame of reference.

    Here's a picture of mine before and after surgery.
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    Like you, I had surgery the same day and went home the following day. I just finished week 3 and my doctor is leading me to believe that I'll be able to get off crutches after 6 weeks and get on the trainer very soon thereafter. Hopefully the 6 week timeframe is realistic with the nature of my break b/c 11 weeks like these first 3 would be horrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike12 View Post
    Here's a picture of mine before and after surgery.
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    Like you, I had surgery the same day and went home the following day. I just finished week 3 and my doctor is leading me to believe that I'll be able to get off crutches after 6 weeks and get on the trainer very soon thereafter. Hopefully the 6 week timeframe is realistic with the nature of my break b/c 11 weeks like these first 3 would be horrible.
    Thirteen weeks on crutches was pretty bad (from a first world problem perspective). Apparently, according to the MD I got reading stuff on the internet, when to allow weight bearing and its relation to AVN probabilites is "hotly" debated, with some doctors saying no weight bearing and others saying it's okay as soon as tolerated. My doc was more on the better safe than sorry side of that debate. I figured a couple weeks, if it increased my odds of not getting AVN even a little bit, was worth strictly following doctors orders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjclint View Post
    Thirteen weeks on crutches was pretty bad (from a first world problem perspective). Apparently, according to the MD I got reading stuff on the internet, when to allow weight bearing and its relation to AVN probabilites is "hotly" debated, with some doctors saying no weight bearing and others saying it's okay as soon as tolerated. My doc was more on the better safe than sorry side of that debate. I figured a couple weeks, if it increased my odds of not getting AVN even a little bit, was worth strictly following doctors orders.
    Thanks for the info. I'm thinking/hoping that since my fracture of the neck wasn't displaced that I've got less risk of AVN. As you can tell in the x-ray, I had one clearly displaced fracture right where the neck begins. My problem was that I had 3 non-displaced fractures - hence the need for the nail through the neck.

    Anyway, how long were you on pain meds? Like I said I just completed week 3 and am still taking about 3 or 4 pills a day. Doc says to keep taking them as needed & not to worry about needing them.

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