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    Quote Originally Posted by mike12 View Post
    Thanks for the info. I'm thinking/hoping that since my fracture of the neck wasn't displaced that I've got less risk of AVN. As you can tell in the x-ray, I had one clearly displaced fracture right where the neck begins. My problem was that I had 3 non-displaced fractures - hence the need for the nail through the neck.

    Anyway, how long were you on pain meds? Like I said I just completed week 3 and am still taking about 3 or 4 pills a day. Doc says to keep taking them as needed & not to worry about needing them.
    For the pain pills it doesn't look like our situations will be very comparable. I took 2 pain pills total after leaving the hospital - one on each evening after discharge so I could sleep while I got used to not rolling over on my side (which will jar you awake pretty quick). After that I took a couple aspirins a couple of times to dull some of the pain but nothing else. My surgery was a closed reduction which I think is supposed to involve less post surgery pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike12 View Post
    Thanks for the info. I'm thinking/hoping that since my fracture of the neck wasn't displaced that I've got less risk of AVN. As you can tell in the x-ray, I had one clearly displaced fracture right where the neck begins. My problem was that I had 3 non-displaced fractures - hence the need for the nail through the neck.

    Anyway, how long were you on pain meds? Like I said I just completed week 3 and am still taking about 3 or 4 pills a day. Doc says to keep taking them as needed & not to worry about needing them.
    I went through quite a bit of pain meds. That sounds about right. I switched to 1 pill a day or so about a month in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thechemist View Post
    I went through quite a bit of pain meds. That sounds about right. I switched to 1 pill a day or so about a month in.
    Thanks!!! wjclint had me feeling like a wuss

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    Thanks for the advice and well wishes guys.

    I only took pain meds once, it was after surgery and right before the in-hospital PT. The PT said it'll be easier for me to do the PT if I take some pain meds so I took it. They gave me a perscription and I have the bottle at home but I haven't needed it yet. It never hurts so much that it consumes me. The first week was the worst in terms of sleeping. Sleeping is just horrible flat out....

    Being on crutches sucks pretty bad, especially if its going to be 6 months like my surgeon recommended. You don't realize how much you need your hands until you are on crutches.

    Want to move the coffee cup from the kitchen to the computer table? lol nope.
    Want to carry a grocery bag? lol nope.
    Want to carry a notebook without a backpack? lol nope.
    Want to hold the door open so you can walk in? lol nope.

    I saw an escalator the other day and had to walk like 1/4 mile to the elevator instead. I can walk up and down the stairs no problem(just takes awhile), but I would be nervous as hell on the escalator in case I didn't get off in time.

    I am considering getting one of those disabled parking pass things but my pride is telling me no.

    The sides of my chest hurt from walking on crutches all over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovoleg View Post
    Thanks for the advice and well wishes guys.

    I only took pain meds once, it was after surgery and right before the in-hospital PT. The PT said it'll be easier for me to do the PT if I take some pain meds so I took it. They gave me a perscription and I have the bottle at home but I haven't needed it yet. It never hurts so much that it consumes me. The first week was the worst in terms of sleeping. Sleeping is just horrible flat out....

    Being on crutches sucks pretty bad, especially if its going to be 6 months like my surgeon recommended. You don't realize how much you need your hands until you are on crutches.

    Want to move the coffee cup from the kitchen to the computer table? lol nope.
    Want to carry a grocery bag? lol nope.
    Want to carry a notebook without a backpack? lol nope.
    Want to hold the door open so you can walk in? lol nope.

    I saw an escalator the other day and had to walk like 1/4 mile to the elevator instead. I can walk up and down the stairs no problem(just takes awhile), but I would be nervous as hell on the escalator in case I didn't get off in time.

    I am considering getting one of those disabled parking pass things but my pride is telling me no.

    The sides of my chest hurt from walking on crutches all over.
    Brings back some memories.

    I remember going to the hospital, asking the security guard if it was okay for me to park in a handicap stall because I was in crutches. He said no, so I had to park in general, which gave me a kilometer walk. Going to back to the car, in crutches, I remember a car following me for 5 minutes so they could take my spot. No offer for a ride, just following me as closely as they could.

    People don't really give you any concessions when on crutches. I expected it because that's what I did, but most people aren't as civil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post
    Brings back some memories.

    I remember going to the hospital, asking the security guard if it was okay for me to park in a handicap stall because I was in crutches. He said no, so I had to park in general, which gave me a kilometer walk. Going to back to the car, in crutches, I remember a car following me for 5 minutes so they could take my spot. No offer for a ride, just following me as closely as they could.

    People don't really give you any concessions when on crutches. I expected it because that's what I did, but most people aren't as civil.
    I was going to a restaurant last weekend and I opened the door, held it with a crutch and started to walk in...Some lady just coudln't wait and rushed the other door. She gets to the counter and the hostess isn't there so she's waiting, and shortly thereafter I come up as well. The hostess asks me how many and I say (2). The other girl snaps and says, "I was here before him". I about whacked her with one of my crutches across the shins but I resisted...

    Old people hold the door for me, young ppl don't care. I rather no one held anything for me, I rather be independent and not rely on anyone...but I'm weird haha.
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    Hello ovoleg, don't know how I missed this when it happened AND when you posted it. I was there that day but I got hammered at the start of the Masters race and was OTB practicing my time trial position on my road bike. Had no idea that anyone hit the deck on that corner that day, much less you.

    Sounds like your being careful with your recovery and I am very sorry to read about the extent of your injuries.

    Can't tell you how many (tens of?) thousands of miles I've raced on that course. That is the most difficult corner on the course but my educated guess is that there are as many crashes in the other corners as there are in that one. Statistically, it's not particularly dangerous.

    Continue to take care and heal up.

    willzzz is still showing up every week. Didn't realize that he was initially getting a ride home from you.
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    Komrade ask a PT or a doctor, preferable PT, how to use crutches properly and make sure they are adjusted for your height.
    I see hills.... Bring them on!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleave View Post
    Hello ovoleg, don't know how I missed this when it happened AND when you posted it. I was there that day but I got hammered at the start of the Masters race and was OTB practicing my time trial position on my road bike. Had no idea that anyone hit the deck on that corner that day, much less you.

    Sounds like your being careful with your recovery and I am very sorry to read about the extent of your injuries.

    Can't tell you how many (tens of?) thousands of miles I've raced on that course. That is the most difficult corner on the course but my educated guess is that there are as many crashes in the other corners as there are in that one. Statistically, it's not particularly dangerous.

    Continue to take care and heal up.

    willzzz is still showing up every week. Didn't realize that he was initially getting a ride home from you.
    yeah Will saved me, that drive home would of been impossible without him.

    I value the experience in the thread but I'm not convinced that it was all my fault going into that corner. From my POV, I was at the front and I had the Right of Way to go outside into that corner, then all of a sudden this guy appears to the right of me and starts cutting into the line I was going to take. The speed I was going, I could of tried to corner tighter but I wasn't positioned for it. Maybe I'm wrong and he had the right of way coming at me from the outside but this kind of stuff is never learned in any kind of clinic I've ever been in(I've been to 3), or any group ride or race I've been a part of.

    2 weeks in now. Swung by the doc and he took the staples out. Says I should be good to start PT soon, says bones heal in 2-3 weeks in young people without osteoperosis or diabetes. I'm eager to get going again and get back on the bike. I'll have to re-evaluate the kind of racing and the amount I'll be doing. This was a pretty serious injury that makes me think a little hard about it all...Still super nervous about getting AVN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UmneyDurak View Post
    Komrade ask a PT or a doctor, preferable PT, how to use crutches properly and make sure they are adjusted for your height.
    yeah the PT gave me the instructions but still its a huge PITA. He told me to put them up against my torso/ribs and not under the arm-pits. He also adjusted it for my height. I walked from my car to the docs office today which was about 1/4 of a mile, I was exhausted lol.

    I've definitely been eating freely lately, I figure I need the nutrients and I'll worry about weight loss/etc when I can get back to PT and working out.
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    It's not a matter of right of way except when you are in the final sprint. Glad you are feeling better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovoleg View Post
    yeah Will saved me, that drive home would of been impossible without him.

    I value the experience in the thread but I'm not convinced that it was all my fault going into that corner. From my POV, I was at the front and I had the Right of Way to go outside into that corner, then all of a sudden this guy appears to the right of me and starts cutting into the line I was going to take. The speed I was going, I could of tried to corner tighter but I wasn't positioned for it. Maybe I'm wrong and he had the right of way coming at me from the outside but this kind of stuff is never learned in any kind of clinic I've ever been in(I've been to 3), or any group ride or race I've been a part of.

    2 weeks in now. Swung by the doc and he took the staples out. Says I should be good to start PT soon, says bones heal in 2-3 weeks in young people without osteoperosis or diabetes. I'm eager to get going again and get back on the bike. I'll have to re-evaluate the kind of racing and the amount I'll be doing. This was a pretty serious injury that makes me think a little hard about it all...Still super nervous about getting AVN.
    Glad to hear you are making progress and not losing interest in getting back on the bike.

    Still a total bummer that you went down and got seriously hurt, but...remember that structured group ride I mentioned some time ago that you weren't buying? This is where rides like that are totally beneficial. They're instructional and offer a great opportunity to learn, ask questions in a less than 100% competitive environment, etc. The hammer group rides or race rides are great for fitness, but the instruction provided there is usually someone yelling at someone else and no clear instruction on how to prevent the issue from recurring.

    Heal up!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovoleg View Post
    I value the experience in the thread but I'm not convinced that it was all my fault ...
    You ask for information, people with decades of experience try to explain how you contributed to the crash (forget fault) and how to avoid such situations in the future, but you're so invested in being right and blaming the other guy that you're not listening. You will learn. The only question is how much skin you want to lose first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asgelle View Post
    You ask for information, people with decades of experience try to explain how you contributed to the crash (forget fault) and how to avoid such situations in the future, but you're so invested in being right and blaming the other guy that you're not listening. You will learn. The only question is how much skin you want to lose first.
    +1. there are a number of folks on this board who suffer from this affliction. being willing to learn from others is a valuable skill.

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    At this point it doesn't matter who's fault it was. Advice was given, some experts have left good tidbits on the table for him.

    I still think this may be US blowback for Crimea. If you look closely at the video its not just a normal blinkie on the guys bike; its sending some type of code. Obviously to the government.

    I'm glad you plan on coming back. I can't tell you how many times a runner or cyclist has a major injury and the last thing you see is 'I'm having surgery today, see you in xx months!' then they just disappear from the community. My guess is some can't handle losing so much power and rehabbing, others rationalize quitting due to dangers, and others just plain lose interest.

    Just be patient on coming back, and don't expect the numbers to be there right away, but they'll come sooner than you think.

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    Wow. Just seeing this. I'm really sorry to hear that you were injured so badly. I hope your healing is speedy and complete!

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    Can we change the subject of this thread away from "NECK FRACTURE" - every day I wonder who died before I figure out it's his hip, again.

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    Maybe it's because he has his head up his ass?

    Just kidding!!!!

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    Nothing like breaking your femur to really invite the abuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post
    Brings back some memories.

    I remember going to the hospital, asking the security guard if it was okay for me to park in a handicap stall because I was in crutches. He said no, so I had to park in general, which gave me a kilometer walk. Going to back to the car, in crutches, I remember a car following me for 5 minutes so they could take my spot. No offer for a ride, just following me as closely as they could.

    People don't really give you any concessions when on crutches. I expected it because that's what I did, but most people aren't as civil.
    i've been on crutches since sunday. last time before that was 7 or 8 years ago. i've had the opposite experience recently.

    i was being self-sufficient as much as i could. i drove myself to walgreens to buy crutches. when i got there, i took a close, non-handicapped spot. i realized i couldn't walk but thought i could lean on a nearby cart. it was raining, and a guy saw me hobbling over to it. he brought it to me but then asked what i was going to get inside. when i said 'crutches', he ran inside, got me a wheel chair, then brought crutches to the front counter. just a random guy in the fayetteville, AR, walgreen's parking lot.

    at the airport when i returned the rental car, without asking the agent ran off and got a golf cart to drive me to the front entrance. pretty cool.

    i was crutching through the airport and carrying my bag (stuff for a week's trip + bike racing). when i was nearly at my gate, someone ran over to me from behind a concession counter. it was a guy i'd' raced with that weekend...he had heard from teammates i was flying out and was watching for me. he helped me to my gate.

    i had 2 flights, one with a 30' connection. when i was getting off the plane (i let everyone else off first), an off-duty flight attendant saw me struggling to get my bag. she carried it off the plane, called the connecting gate to tell them i was on the way/hold the plane, and got me a wheelchair.

    oddly, the most rude person was a lady who was in a wheelchair for no obvious reason. i say no obvious reason because she was walking around the airport prior to our departure using the wheelchair as a place to store her various packages. we wound up sitting in the same row.

    oh yeah, i did this all with a fractured femur. (the medical support at the race had me stand on it (really, really dumb!) and when i did so they said it couldn't be broken.) not sure how i made it home but will-power is a strong thing. the next time i am in a break, riding a TT, doing hard intervals, i will have a different perspective on pain levels.

    now that i've got a surgical nail in there it is painful but any pain is so much easier to bear given the last few days. i try to take value from everything, and those couple of days with a cracked femur will definitely serve me in some way in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovoleg View Post
    I've definitely been eating freely lately, I figure I need the nutrients and I'll worry about weight loss/etc when I can get back to PT and working out.
    i'd think hard about this part. sure, your body needs proper nutrition, but it is very easy to overeat and eat stuff that doesn't promote healing. you already have a bit of a hole to dig out of, so adding on some weight on top of that will not make things easier.

    just my opinion, but then again i was the guy doing isometric exercises in pre-op the other day, and when i woke of from surgery was doing the same.

    it takes lots of focus to lose weight, so perhaps consider not gaining it in the first place.

    a humble suggestion, nothing more.

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    wow. your attitude is very admirable. I know to whom i need to turn when i need a lemon converted into lemonade

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    What an interesting slice of America you got to experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetonrider View Post
    the medical support at the race had me stand on it (really, really dumb!) and when i did so they said it couldn't be broken.

    Thinking about this gives me chills of dread. Holy crap, that could have been so awful. Never, ever, ever, ever test whether potentially broken bone can move. You can do catastrophic damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetonrider View Post
    i've been on crutches since sunday. last time before that was 7 or 8 years ago. i've had the opposite experience recently.

    i was being self-sufficient as much as i could. i drove myself to walgreens to buy crutches. when i got there, i took a close, non-handicapped spot. i realized i couldn't walk but thought i could lean on a nearby cart. it was raining, and a guy saw me hobbling over to it. he brought it to me but then asked what i was going to get inside. when i said 'crutches', he ran inside, got me a wheel chair, then brought crutches to the front counter. just a random guy in the fayetteville, AR, walgreen's parking lot.

    at the airport when i returned the rental car, without asking the agent ran off and got a golf cart to drive me to the front entrance. pretty cool.

    i was crutching through the airport and carrying my bag (stuff for a week's trip + bike racing). when i was nearly at my gate, someone ran over to me from behind a concession counter. it was a guy i'd' raced with that weekend...he had heard from teammates i was flying out and was watching for me. he helped me to my gate.

    i had 2 flights, one with a 30' connection. when i was getting off the plane (i let everyone else off first), an off-duty flight attendant saw me struggling to get my bag. she carried it off the plane, called the connecting gate to tell them i was on the way/hold the plane, and got me a wheelchair.

    oddly, the most rude person was a lady who was in a wheelchair for no obvious reason. i say no obvious reason because she was walking around the airport prior to our departure using the wheelchair as a place to store her various packages. we wound up sitting in the same row.

    oh yeah, i did this all with a fractured femur. (the medical support at the race had me stand on it (really, really dumb!) and when i did so they said it couldn't be broken.) not sure how i made it home but will-power is a strong thing. the next time i am in a break, riding a TT, doing hard intervals, i will have a different perspective on pain levels.

    now that i've got a surgical nail in there it is painful but any pain is so much easier to bear given the last few days. i try to take value from everything, and those couple of days with a cracked femur will definitely serve me in some way in the future.
    Wait you broke yours on Sunday? I thought you already broke it before? Sorry to hear that man.


    Quote Originally Posted by tetonrider View Post
    i'd think hard about this part. sure, your body needs proper nutrition, but it is very easy to overeat and eat stuff that doesn't promote healing. you already have a bit of a hole to dig out of, so adding on some weight on top of that will not make things easier.

    just my opinion, but then again i was the guy doing isometric exercises in pre-op the other day, and when i woke of from surgery was doing the same.

    it takes lots of focus to lose weight, so perhaps consider not gaining it in the first place.

    a humble suggestion, nothing more.
    Good call. I'm not eating anything crazy, just eating the same things I ate pre-injury, just now I'm not working out. I have no problem losing weight. 2 years ago before I got into race shape I dropped 28 lbs consistently over 3 months. It wasn't easy but my mental willpower is strong for weight loss(mostly lol )
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