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Old 05-02-14, 07:50 AM   #126
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Then he'd get fat like you.

Right over the plate.
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Old 05-02-14, 08:26 AM   #127
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yeah, but he'd be super mellow
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Old 05-02-14, 10:00 AM   #128
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Quite rightly.
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Old 05-02-14, 11:41 AM   #129
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Teton, if I were you, i'd just roll one state southeast and get some pain killing brownies!
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Marijuana tourism is filling our coffers; tax revenues are much higher than expected. There was an article in the paper last week about an enterprising young lady who put her girl scout cookie table just outside a marijuana dispensary.

BTW I went to an outdoor concert Monday night. Legalization + concert => Beijing levels of smog. CU, never a laggard in polls of party schools, now is surely in a league of its own.
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I was in CO 2 weeks ago for a ski trip. didn't notice any difference in the parking lot at A-basin
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skiing on CO2?

do you mean NO?
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Old 05-02-14, 12:07 PM   #132
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neither for me, but lots of others were skiing on PO(t)
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One of the reason they stopped prescribing mixed drugs (i.e. narcotics+aceto/nsaids) is because people who were trying to get high off them would just end up in the ER with organ failure. They were taking massive amounts of the stuff, but the side effects of narcotic OD are much easier to manage than a mix of those+organ damage.
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One of the reason they stopped prescribing mixed drugs (i.e. narcotics+aceto/nsaids) is because people who were trying to get high off them would just end up in the ER with organ failure. They were taking massive amounts of the stuff, but the side effects of narcotic OD are much easier to manage than a mix of those+organ damage.
These medicines are still being prescribed. I had a script for Percocet (HCD + acetaminophen) when I had my collarbone fixed two weeks ago.
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Old 05-02-14, 01:43 PM   #135
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Teton, if I were you, i'd just roll one state southeast and get some pain killing brownies!
so, a few years ago i'm driving home from hood or cascade or something, listening to NPR. i hear about a drug bust and they mention a man from wilson, wyoming. my town is like a thousand people. you don't hear of it too often on national news.

guy was caught running 95# of weed from a growing operation in OR over to wyoming. he's a guy i know from skiing every day for years, but not the sharpest tack. i'm sure he underestimated the risk involved in what he was doing.

anyway....95#... for 1,000 people. you think we need to travel south?

kind of a funny story (not for him): Wilson man facing pot charges living in N.Y. - Jackson Hole News&Guide: Top Stories

dumb mule: "i'm here visiting my girlfriend."
small-town cop: "what's her name?"
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Old 05-02-14, 01:55 PM   #136
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it wasn't technically "in" the car, it was "in" the kayak.
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the guy's a total knucklehead and at times has been an a-hole, but it also sucks that at 30yo he basically ruined his life.

he obviously wasn't the brains of the operation. he was probably taking a few grand for the trip and had no idea of the risk associated with it. sure, shame on him -- at 30yo he should have known better.

if you're gonna be transporting 95# of weed across the country you better make sure your brake lights are tight, you're following all traffic laws, etc. anyone who has passed through burns has an idea of what the interaction with the cop must have been like. i drive through burns 2-4x/year and always think of his story.

my guess is there was some sort of tip.
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Old 05-02-14, 03:11 PM   #139
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^^ I think the shame in that situation does not lie with that dude in particular.
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the guy's a total knucklehead and at times has been an a-hole, but it also sucks that at 30yo he basically ruined his life.

he obviously wasn't the brains of the operation. he was probably taking a few grand for the trip and had no idea of the risk associated with it. sure, shame on him -- at 30yo he should have known better.
i didn't read the previous posts when i first read this post and thought you were talking about that idiot Riccardo Ricco. Incidentally, also 30 years old, and should know better...
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there is HUGE healing power in being on the trainer, even at 50W. it retains neuromuscular firing patterns (good when you do return to cycling) and increases circulation and therefore blood flow. even this light cardio will, i'm sure, have great positive result on your outcome and reduced time for healing.


it might not have been clear above, but i am very risk averse when it comes to long-term injury that could be exacerbated by jumping back into things too quickly. i would not do any of what i was doing now if the medical professionals i work with were not comfortable with it (e.g., riding the trainer the day after being discharged from the hospital).

one of the first questions i ask in almost any medical interaction is "what are the long-term implications of this <medication, treatment, rehab, injury, etc.>?"

that is ALWAYS at the top of mind. usually i find returning to activity sooner is a good thing, but there is often a line one needs to be careful not to cross.

in the case of *my femur fracture* and *my surgical repair* and *my doctor's assessment of my health and bone's ability to heal*, there is currently no risk of me riding a bike with as much pressure as i would like. nothing i can do (even falling) will damage that repair.

ovoleg, you definitely know your own situation best, and you have the mental discipline to lose weight. (i lost 45# too over a few seasons, so i know where you're coming from.) i just find that during these recovery times it is SO easy for others as well as ourselves to "let us off the hook" -- e.g., 5 people brought me cookies, caramel and ice cream while i was in the hospital, and that was in 4h post-op. i was grateful for the gesture and really really wanted to eat it all. i allowed myself a treat but also knew that i did not want to make a deeper hole for myself. i'm now at the lean end of the scale and further weight reduction is really, really hard compared to, say, dropping the first 40 of those 45#, so perhaps i am more sensitive to such things now.

i wish you the best in your healing process.
Thanks and I wish you the best in your healing progress as well. Hopefully both of us will be on the bike ASAP.

I asked my doc like 3 times about how much pressure I can put and what he recommends and he was pretty adamant about me not putting pressure for 4 more weeks.

I kept bugging him about letting me drive my car(manual trans) and he would not budge. Instead I have my gf driving it and she is beating the crap out of my clutch. I cringe everytime I'm in the car...wish I could drive my own car before its completely wrecked.

What kind of fixation did you have? I have 3 screws. Bone still broken as of 2 days ago but he says the fixation is in good position and shouldn't come out or anything like that.

I am not so concerned with this recovery cause I feel like I should be back to at least 99%, but I am pretty worried that if I get AVN then I'll have to go through this all over again, and then some with an artificial hip.
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These medicines are still being prescribed. I had a script for Percocet (HCD + acetaminophen) when I had my collarbone fixed two weeks ago.
They don't prescribe it as often though. When I've had surgery the last few times, they've given me straight up oxy and hydromorphocodone. The latter is insaneeee.

In any event, that's the reason I was given. Maybe it's true of MA or the prescribers here.
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Thanks and I wish you the best in your healing progress as well. Hopefully both of us will be on the bike ASAP.

I asked my doc like 3 times about how much pressure I can put and what he recommends and he was pretty adamant about me not putting pressure for 4 more weeks.

I kept bugging him about letting me drive my car(manual trans) and he would not budge. Instead I have my gf driving it and she is beating the crap out of my clutch. I cringe everytime I'm in the car...wish I could drive my own car before its completely wrecked.

What kind of fixation did you have? I have 3 screws. Bone still broken as of 2 days ago but he says the fixation is in good position and shouldn't come out or anything like that.

I am not so concerned with this recovery cause I feel like I should be back to at least 99%, but I am pretty worried that if I get AVN then I'll have to go through this all over again, and then some with an artificial hip.
Don't worry about the hip. That surgery is probably the most effective orthopedic procedure out there, along with possibly collarbone breakage.
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...and he was pretty adamant about me not putting pressure for 4 more weeks.
my process is to find the medical/recovery team i trust, then to follow their recommendations. i tend to thoroughly vet those people then try not to question what they prescribe. it is similar to the coach-trainee relationship...effective ones, IMO.

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What kind of fixation did you have? I have 3 screws. Bone still broken as of 2 days ago but he says the fixation is in good position and shouldn't come out or anything like that.
i have a gamma nail. that $h!t ain't comin' out. based on what you are telling us your doc is saying, your situation is quite different.

i'm pretty much riding easy right now because i want my surgical wound to heal. infection would be bad and riding harder might keep it open. i'll have to accept the fitness hit from the time off. i *know* i will build back to where i was and beyond, but as we all know it sucks to lose fitness right when one wants to be building it. i know what to do and am not bummed, but i note the reality.

the good thing about being injured a bunch is i know how recovery goes. guess i'll have more data on hips & femurs soon!
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They don't prescribe it as often though. When I've had surgery the last few times, they've given me straight up oxy and hydromorphocodone. The latter is insaneeee.

In any event, that's the reason I was given. Maybe it's true of MA or the prescribers here.
Actually, I noticed that, too. After surgery, both times, just oxy. I had a pain incident after the first surgery that had me going to urgent care, and they gave me a Percocet. Hooooly craaaaap, that was a different level. I'd been given Percocet after I had my wisdom teeth out and after a different surgery when I was a teenager, so I don't know what changed in the last dozen years or so.
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I had two clavicle surgeries that were basically the same. First ortho said "do whatever you can bear, painwise, the plate is secure and you'll hurt WAY before it comes out." The second guy was all "don't do anything for X weeks and la-la-la-la."

I took the first guy's advice both times.
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I forget how many weeks it was but my wife (then fiancÚ) and I went to see the ortho after my collar bone surgery. I asked about riding outdoors. He said no, blah, blah, blah. We left. On the way home I told her I was going try and ride outside. She said 'I couldn't.' I raced on the track that night. When I ask her opinion on things she doesn't care about she often shrugs and reminds me about that.
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Actually, I noticed that, too. After surgery, both times, just oxy. I had a pain incident after the first surgery that had me going to urgent care, and they gave me a Percocet. Hooooly craaaaap, that was a different level. I'd been given Percocet after I had my wisdom teeth out and after a different surgery when I was a teenager, so I don't know what changed in the last dozen years or so.
I got IV Delaudid and pills after my back surgeries. The IV stuff was so freaking insane that I told the PT that I would be able to run a marathon if she wanted me to do so. 15 mins before the IV, it was taking me 30 mins to go from lying down to sitting up and vice versa...
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